Dual Battery Management

ndusoo2

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I have a Wellcraft 218 with a dual battery system. Is there a recommended way your battery system should be managed? i.e. Number one for starting, two for starting, both for starting, or alternating each start.<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />ndusoo2
 

arks

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Re: Dual Battery Management

Good page Rick. <br />I have diagram "B" (dual batteries/ no isolator).<br /><br />Normal operation: Choose 1 battery and run on it long enough to charge it up. I generally switch to the other battery after an hour or so.<br /><br /> I NEVER run with the switch on "BOTH" because the alternator will not adequately charge both batteries at the same time, and may actually drain the weaker battery. This position is only used if and when you need extra power to start the engine. The switch allows both batteries to combine their power for maximum amperage.
 

Boatin Bob

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If your batteries are in good shape and your running an I/O with a 40-50 amp alt there should be no problem with running on "Both" but it's always good to switch one off when you anchor that way you will have a fresh battery to start with if you need it.
 

Ralph 123

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Prior to starting the engine, the operator would turn the battery switch to the BOTH position so that he or she had the full cranking power of the batteries. Once the engine started, the operator would leave the switch in the BOTH position while powering to the day's destination so that both batteries were charged. Once a sailboat began sailing sans engine, or a powerboat dropped the hook, the operator would (in theory) turn the battery switch to the 1 or 2 position, so that the other battery would be reserved for starting. When it was time to crank the engine again, the battery switch would be turned to BOTH, or possibly to the reserved battery, and the engine would be started. <br /><br />The problem, of course, is that this requires a lot of thought on the part of the operator, who is trying to relax in the first place. The inevitable result is that at some point, the boater accidentally leaves the battery switch in the BOTH position, resulting in two very dead batteries.<br /><br />What's the solution?<br />We strongly recommend that you select and wire your batteries differently from the way the factory wired them. Use a stout starting battery to crank your engine, based on your engine's cranking requirements. Use a larger house battery with triple the capacity of your daily DC requirements. Now this is where it gets complicated: we DON'T recommend the use of a traditional OFF-1-BOTH-2 battery switch. Instead, consider using three OFF-ON battery switches as follows: one switch to connect your starting battery to your starter circuit; one switch to connect your house battery to your boat's distribution panel; and one switch to parallel your battery systems if either battery fails. <br /><br />With this switch set-up, you simply turn your engine and house switches to the ON position whenever you are onboard, whether anchored, starting your engine, or sailing. The battery parallel switch remains OFF unless there is a complete failure of either battery bank or you have run your starting battery down trying to crank a reluctant engine. When your engine is off, the starting battery is safely isolated from the house loads. It cannot be discharged, even if you leave your stereo on all night, listening to Jimmy Buffett and blending margaritas. <br /><br />How do I charge both banks simultaneously?<br />By isolating starting and house banks, you face a challenge trying to charge them from a single source like single-output chargers or alternators. If you violate the "separation" of the two banks, you face the probability of two dead batteries due to "operator brain-fade". That's why we are great believers in the West Marine Battery Combiner and Heart Pathmaker, Balmar Dual Output Alternators, and to a lesser degree, battery isolators. These products sense the voltage of the battery banks and connect the batteries together whenever one battery's voltage is elevated. Both banks charge simultaneously and remain combined until the voltage drops, whereupon they are disconnected from one another. It's much like having a very attentive engineer flip your battery parallel switch on and off at exactly the right moment. The result is maximum charging performance for two banks, and complete isolation of the two banks to ensure that you can start your engine.
 

BillP

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I only use "Both" when it is absolutely necessary to get the juice from both. I normally don't run on both because one totally shorted battery will pull the other one down to zero. It will also equalize the charge between old and new batteries. <br /><br />This happened to me with a brand new battery (two days old)and left me stranded 35 miles offshore...that is why I don't run on "both" anymore. For normal charging I switch between 1 and 2 but always keep them isolated. I also shut them both off when back at the dock.<br /><br />I am a proponent of the simple 3 way switch and don't want another piece of electronic gear aboard to manage my batteries...not on a 21' trailer boat. However, if you are a gadget type of guy or buy new boats every couple of years then get load your boat up with electronic managers, gages and meters.
 

Ralph 123

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If you had the combiners you never would have been stranded. That's the whole idea.
 

Capn Mike

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Hmmm....I like the way you think, Ralph. I spend a lot of time sitting with radio/s and depth finders going and the engine shut down. Both batteries on my O/B are deep cycle; I presume it's because I have a 200 hp Johnson that doesn't require a huge starting load. When I'm running for a long period of time, I put the switch on "Both," otherwise, I pick the odd battery on odd days, the even on even.<br />However, it's never occurred to me that my alternator may not be able to charge both at the same time. Since the gauge shows the charge at around 14, and since in 4 years of hard use I've never had a battery fail, I've always presumed I was OK. Now, I'll go look at the specs....what am I looking for? How do I know my alternator is or is not putting out enough to charge both?
 

BillP

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Ralph, I hear ya but I have about 40 yrs of using switches, they are stictly mechanical and fool proof...not idiot proof but close. There are no worries whether they work and switch breakdowns are unheard of other than corrosion on the terminals. Nothing is more reliable. Even with a combiner I would shut off my electrical system with switches when slipped.<br /><br />Electronic combiners are convenient but yet another device with a life span of unknown predictability. They can be rendered useless with one stray charge (or lack of). Granted, they may last 5-10-15 yrs...which is it? When do you replace them? How do you know they have stopped working? So we have to monitor the combiner now in order to make sure it is funtioning...just more stuff to deal with. A 21' boat just doesn't need the extra maintenance and cost factor aboard to keep the batteries right. Rewiring, adding a combiner, new panels and the 3rd battery are massive overkill to me.
 

Ralph 123

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Hey BillP - I agree. If you are very dillegent with your switches then you don't need anything else. But, the first time someone forgets to switch batteries when draining and kills both batteries, or forgets to keep them both good and charged and they get stuck, the'll wish they had them. :D <br /><br />You don't need 3 batteries for combiners. 2 is all. They have LEDs that indicate when they are working. They are solid state (silicon), voltage sensing relays hermetically sealed in a box smaller than a pack of cigarettes. So, if they don't fail out of the package they last as long as silicon usually lasts (25 years or something)? They also have thermal and current overload protection so a bad battey or short won't kill your electrical system becuase it will automatically isolate the batteries.<br /><br />With combiners, you turn your switch on and go and never have to worry about anything at all.
 
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