Don't Understand??

airman

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Re: Don't Understand??

Just a thought to add to the pile... If you put a calibrated hand tach on your motor, you might find that the dashboard tach is out by several hundred rpm. I've seen that lots.
 

MajBach

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Bill
suspect the post from MajBach is prop diameter reductions with the same pitch and not pitch reductions with the same diameter.
I don't know why you would think that, but you are incorrect. These numbers were not obtained on different outings either. As a matter of fact, I created a chart and recorded wind, water, weather, boat load etc. The numbers were obtained usuing a GPS over the same course of water and adjusting trim for peak speed and all within an hour. Over the course of the season I toyed around with these factors and also added a Dolphin plate. Surprisingly I found that the weather and water conditions played more of a factor on top speed than did either of the three props or even boat load. I suspect the later due to the fact that the increase of one or more passenegers was insignificant relative to the weight of the entire boat. All props were same diameter.
 

BillP

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MajBach,<br />I was thinking that because in all my prop tweaking(15-20?)I've never had an increase in speed with pitch reduction on the same diameter. I've never had to go 4" in pitch or diameter to dial in any boat either. With those numbers I'd take a WAG and say you are dealing with a merc engine? Generally I use a torque/rpm curve and prop to meet my cruising speed. Thanks for responding...that is good info.<br /><br />Interesting about the Doelfin plate. I added a Doelfin and run the same top end (trimmed up)at 500 rpms less. It hits the rev limiter at full throttle with the Doelfin installed so I am upping the pitch to keep the rpms under 6k trimmed at full throttle.
 

baitfish

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well guys,..... the tach. that i had instaled is a teleflex...i don't think the r's changed?? seems faster top end......my question is,...can i hurt the motor, if i'm runnig it at LESS RPMS.??at WOT..THANKS AGAIN, HOOOOOORA....
 

Dhadley

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I bet the tach is not reading right. Make sure its the correct tach and is set on the correct position (6 I would guess -- dont fool around with t-flex tachs).<br /><br />Improving the performance can only make the motor happier no matter what rpm range you are in.<br /><br />Did you raise it any more?<br /><br />Good luck!
 

baitfish

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ok....i just got off the phone with the dealer...and he said the wot.for my motor is,between 5000-6000. he said it should run ,loaded,at least 5000, and by myself,(light load)ect.not over 6000., when i go fishin with my grand son who weighs 60lbs. & i weigh 170lbs... it turns 5000, so i guess i need to go to a 12&1/2" by 13"prop..now i have 12&1/4" by 15"..i hate to spend the $100.00+ to see if that works, but don't know any other way ... :rolleyes: , THANKS AGAIN,(still guessin)hooooora!!
 

Dhadley

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I would get an E/J tach. If you are gaining without spending money lets keep going that direction.<br /><br />Did you raise it any more?
 

baitfish

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no...i didn't raise it any more yet....what is a e.g. tach??? thanks again, for all your knowledge...i don't know what i'd do with out you guys!!!! :D hooooora!!
 

walleyehed

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C.C., by E/J, he means EVINRUDE/JOHNSON-OMC.<br /> Get an original equipment Tach (E/J-OMC).<br />teleflex is after-market.
 

baitfish

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hey,guys,.. i'm thinkin about buying a "hustler prop" 12&1/2" by 13"... can get right here, at iboats...has any body got one??? how do they like it?the boat dealer said that goin down 2" in pitch i won't lose any speed,(top end) becouse i'll be turning the motor 500 more r's..wot. is this right??? :rolleyes: Thanks again.......one old gar head... :D
 

MajBach

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Hey Bill!:<br />I am running a 90HP Honda on a 16'6" Sylvan DC (rivetted) with 88" beam. Wide boat to say the least. I keep A LOT of supplies on board so I am always in the upper end of load capacity. Boat also is rated for a 90 max and with the 4-stroke I am slightly heavier than what the manufacturer designed for. They actually reinforced my transom to accomodate the Honda. <br />I find this prop science fascinating stuff. It is quite alot different from aviation props even though we are still working in a fluid. Wish I could 'borrow' an expert from a prop shop for a day just for the sake of satisfying curiosity. I say that because even though I did all these 'tests', utimately, we are searching for all out speed. Over the past few years I have noticed I RARELY operate WOT though.<br />The 15" prop and the 19" are Honda's (michigan wheel) and the 17" is a Merc prop with a cup. Again, I found that with the exeption of acceleration and rpms per unit of speed, there is very little difference in performance, read:speed, between these three props. The most noticeable change is from trip to trip.<br />I did quite a bit of testing with the Dolphin too, although I didn't try it with each prop and without it on the same outing. Some days I would switch props just to 'see' the difference as I had become accustomed to the prop I was running for awhile. Sometimes the 'feel' is more significant than the numbers. Other times I would lower the prop pitch in anticipation of an extra heavy load. Suffice to say, I have run the Dolphin on all props and all without on at least two occasions. I find absolutely no disadvatage with having it on. Top speed is unaffected and it seems may slightly increase when I have a light bow but heavy stern. As a matter of fact, I have noticed that filling my bow well on the fly(28 gal.= approx 250 lbs) when I have a heavy load in the back actually adds 5% more top end.<br />Ventilation is almost eliminated through turns with the fin on as well. Most noticteable though is time to plane. There have been two occasions that even with a boat maxed out for power, myself and two heavy guys sitting on the back bench, I am unable to get over the hump with the 19" prop on. If I stand up which brings my weight a few inches forward, or fill the bow well, I can get going. But if I put the Dolphin on, there is no problem whatsoever getting on the plane.<br />This surprised me a lot as I used to run a Stringray (same idea, different mfg.) on an old 18hp 'Rude on the back of a 14' tin punt. No comparison to my present boat, but the Dolphin is about the same size and the change in boat performance due to adding it is as signifcant as with the small boat. Makes you wonder because when you think about it, those 6" of lateral plastic is really what's holding the boat up.<br />I would suspect that a very well designed one made from stiff metal would offer even more of a boost than hardware store plastic.<br />Keep up the prop talk, I never get bored reading the info!
 

baitfish

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well, i'm gonna jack the motor up another notch,...as long as it will still bite on the hole shot, it's not to high...right???and i'm gonna check out the tach. to see if it's on # 6...THANKS GUYS,. gonna try it out 2morrow will let you know how i make out then..... "semper-fi"
 
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