Does shorting out rectifier kill spark for 77 johnson 35 hp HELP!

67Heaven

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Hi again all. This motor is an electric start model. I made a rookie mistake, I was taking off my exhaust cover to replace gaskets when I accidentally shorted out my red wire that has a fuse in it that goes to the terminal block that then goes to the rectifier. I didn't even blow the fuse but seen the spark. Now I have no spark to motor. When I'm cranking the motor the tach is getting pulses. I've tried swapping out ignition switches too. Seeing how the red wire only goes to rectifier & ignition, is it possible that the shorted out rectifier is the reason I have no spark? I had just replaced power pack & coils & stator assembly. Within the past couple weeks, I'm sick to my stomach on what I may have done. PLEASE HELP!!!
 

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Re: Does shorting out rectifier kill spark for 77 johnson 35 hp HELP!

Disconnect the yellow wire going to the rectifier if the engine starts you have a bad rectifier. If the engine doesn't start then you need to check the power pack. The complete troubleshooting steps are on page 39 of the CDI guide. Follow the link in my sig.
 

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Re: Does shorting out rectifier kill spark for 77 johnson 35 hp HELP!

Do u mean to unhook the solid yellow only & leave the yellow /blue, yellow /gray hooked up?
 

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Re: Does shorting out rectifier kill spark for 77 johnson 35 hp HELP!

Unhook the yellow and yellow/blue wires
 

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Re: Does shorting out rectifier kill spark for 77 johnson 35 hp HELP!

Thankyou hide. Tried it & still no spark. Just like doctors can I get more opinions out there?
 

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Follow the troubleshooting steps in the CDI guide starting on page 39. Start on step 1 and walk your way through it. Once again the link is in my sig.
 

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Re: Does shorting out rectifier kill spark for 77 johnson 35 hp HELP!

The rectifier converts AC voltage being supplied by the alternator portion of the stator to DC voltage. It does not serve any other purpose and is not a part of the ignition circuit. Whether it is shorted completely or missing altogether, it should not interfere with the ignition (spark).

Spark test: Remove spark plugs, set up a tester whereas you can set a 7/16' gap for the spark to jump (the gap is important). Do not use the spark plugs to test the spark as that is a waste of time.

Crank engine over. If no spark, disconnect the black/yellow wire from the powerpack OR from the ignition switch, whichever is easier for you. Crank engine over again.... if you now have spark, either the ignition switch is faulty of a short exists in that black/yellow wire somewhere. If still no spark, the usual problem is a failed powerpack.

(Small Rectifier Test
(J. Reeves)

Remove the rectifier wires from the terminal block. Using a ohm meter, connect the black lead of the ohm meter to the rectifier base (ground), then one by one, connect the red lead of the ohm meter to the yellow, yellow/gray, then the red wire (some rectifiers may also have a fourth yellow/blue wire. If so connect to that also). Now, reverse the ohm meter leads and check those same wires again. You should get a reading in one direction, and none at all in the other direction.

Now, connect the black lead of the ohm meter to the red wire. One by one, connect the red lead of the ohm meter to the yellow, yellow/gray, and if present, the yellow/blue wire. Then reverse the leads, checking the wires again. Once more, you should get a reading in one direction and none in the other.

Note that the reading obtained from the red rectifier wire will be lower then what is obtained from the other wires.

Any deviation from the "Reading", "No Reading" as above indicates a faulty rectifier. Note that a rectifier will not tolerate reverse polarity. Simply touching the battery with the cables in the reverse order or hooking up a battery charger backwards will blow the diodes in the rectifier assy immediately.
 

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Re: Does shorting out rectifier kill spark for 77 johnson 35 hp HELP!

Thank you Joe! Very valuable info. I will give this all a shot later this afternoon. Lesson to self...always disconnect battery before any type of service. Thanks again!
 

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Re: Does shorting out rectifier kill spark for 77 johnson 35 hp HELP!

If unlucky, you may fry the stator on those engines as charge and power coil are in one 'unit'. If rectifier diode burns to a short, it is possible, if open, normally you are safe.
 

67Heaven

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Re: Does shorting out rectifier kill spark for 77 johnson 35 hp HELP!

Ok tested rectifier, dead in all directions. So I put my other stator assembly back on that was made for a manual start motor(long story in another posted thread ) and still no spark. I have disconnected black/yellow wire to eliminate ignition switch too. Looks like i fried the power pack. My question is, I shorted the red wire going to rectifier, how did that end up taking out the power pack? As Joe noted before, that's on an entirely separate system.
 

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Re: Does shorting out rectifier kill spark for 77 johnson 35 hp HELP!

They are on separate circuits and are independent of each other however I have seen a bad rectifier cause a no spark issue. That is why CDI has it as a specific step in their troubleshooting guide and they no more about the ins and outs of an electronic ignition system than anybody. When you arced the charging system you caused some kind of feedback that blew out the power pack.
 

67Heaven

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Re: Does shorting out rectifier kill spark for 77 johnson 35 hp HELP!

That definitely sounds like the case here. I have that link on my office puter I will check into it deeper. Doesn't work so well from my DROID (touch screen & zoom thing) THANKS AGAIN BOTH U GUYS FOR YOUR Help!
 

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Re: Does shorting out rectifier kill spark for 77 johnson 35 hp HELP!

Just had to replace the rectifier because of a no spark condition. The CDI troubleshooting guide was gold for figuring that out.
 

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Re: Does shorting out rectifier kill spark for 77 johnson 35 hp HELP!

UPDATE! Received my new power pack & rectifier today & sure enough, as soon as I replaced the power pack I had spark & all is running great! I went ahead &put the new rectifier on too. AC stator alive & well. Great job guys! Much appreciated! Good boating to you'all !
 

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Re: Does shorting out rectifier kill spark for 77 johnson 35 hp HELP!

If B+ gets to ground, a 'shock' may go through the powerpack ground wire and kill it. Same may happen if a rectifier shorts the B+ to ground or any of the AC leads.
 
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