Does a short shaft, remote, 50+ HP outboard motor exist?

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maingirl

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We are giving up on ever getting our '69 Johnson outboard working and are looking to replace with a new motor, however, our '57 Crestliner Voyager hardtop has a 16" transom which is making it really difficult to find something with enough horsepower that won't require rebuilding.
I grew up on this boat and want to see my son do the same, so any suggestions on how to make this work are greatly appreciated.
 

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HI maingirl. Welcome to iboats. You may be able to find an 80-90s model that has a short shaft. However, if all the motors you can find are 20" shaft lengths, you'll probably need to get transom riser/jack plate similar to the ones in the pics below in order to bring the motor up to the desired height. I had to build a small fixed version so my '66 motor would fit my '59 boat properly. There are all sorts of models ranging from simply bolt on models to remote controlled hydraulic jack plates. Once you have the height issue resolved, the next choice will be make and model. Yamaha and Evinrude Etec are probably the most common/popular down here in my neck of the woods in Florida. Good luck with your hunt. Keep us posted.



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Re: Does a short shaft, remote, 50+ HP outboard motor exist?

What's wrong with your "69 ??
 

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I once owned a short shaft 80 hp Mercury circa 1971, so they're out there. - Grandad
 

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They exist but they are super uncommon nowadays. I think Evinrude built short shaft 70-75hp into the 80's. Short shaft motors were common in the 50's/60's on runabouts but a lot of those boats only had 40-50hp ratings, so that's why a lot of what exists are lesser HP.. Mercury did put short shafts on the 4cyls, not sure on the 6cyl's
 

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80 hp mercury outboard short or long shaft - $1400

80 hp mercury outboard short or long shaft







Here's a 50 hp
http://www.ebay.com/itm/50-hp-johns..._Accessories_Gear&hash=item43ba7f5c94&vxp=mtr
 

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I looked at buying about a '71 50hp Johnny short shaft on a 16' Alumacraft years ago.

Mark
 

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What's wrong with your "69 ??

Not sure, we had a falling out with the only mechanic around here willing to work on it, and I am not mechanically inclined :-/
Just cut out on us at the end of maiden voyage following rebuild. but we've already poured so much into it and just can't get it up & running.
 

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Don't know where you're located at but there are a lot of old guys out there like myself who understand those mtrs and are still willing to work on them. Good Luck.
 

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We are giving up on ever getting our '69 Johnson outboard working and are looking to replace with a new motor, however, our '57 Crestliner Voyager hardtop has a 16" transom which is making it really difficult to find something with enough horsepower that won't require rebuilding.
I grew up on this boat and want to see my son do the same, so any suggestions on how to make this work are greatly appreciated.

Yes, they are still sold new under the Tohatsu and Nissan label.
 

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Re: Does a short shaft, remote, 50+ HP outboard motor exist?

Maingirl, without knowing were you live and the problem that you are having with the motor it is sort of hard to help you.
 

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Sorry, I just returned from vacation no internet!
First off thank you all so much for your suggestions, I am really surprised at the number of responses.
So we live in Phoenix, and we have tried calling EVERYWHERE, but no one is willing to work on old johnsons. We even bought a second motor, i think it's a '71, for parts, but since we don't know what we're looking at, and no one will help us, we have two Johnsons collecting dust.
What's wrong now is that the darn thing won't idle... our last guy replaced a bunch of stuff and did some work which got it going but pulling into the dock our last trip it just cut out, but that guy was a total sheister so we won't go back there.
Anyway, i did find a Tahatsi dealer around here, but that thing was going to be like $8k plus freight, plus install, plus the guy told me it could be too heavy for the old crestliner, and of course there is no weight rating, only HP in the manual I found online.
so i'm back to wondering if it wouldn't be cheaper to just build up the transom and stick with the $4k mercury from Bass Pro... does anyone have a rough idea of what that should cost?
I'm looking for a pic of the boat to post...
 

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Here are a couple pictures, so you have a better idea what i'm talking about. Thanks again everyone!
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That's great looking boat.
The wood on the outside of the transom might not be original it may have been added to strengthen a weak transom. I would consider replacing the transom and making it 20" tall then you can use a long shaft motor. I would also lose the cable steering and go with a new rack and pinion or rotary steering.
 

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That's great looking boat.
The wood on the outside of the transom might not be original it may have been added to strengthen a weak transom. I would consider replacing the transom and making it 20" tall then you can use a long shaft motor. I would also lose the cable steering and go with a new rack and pinion or rotary steering.

yes you are correct, we JUST replaced the transom, which really sucks knowing what we know now :-(
We are heading out today to see what we can find out from some shops around here. I will be sure to ask about the steering options you mentioned, thanks!
 

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Re: Does a short shaft, remote, 50+ HP outboard motor exist?

Maingirl, to answer your question, yes short shaft 50+ horsepower motors do exist. The later ones tended to be of interest to racers or people with light, fast, shallow draft hulls.

Judging by the photos of your neat old aluminum boat, I see what appears to be a 1968 Johnson 65 horse short shaft. It could also be an 85 horse. They were the last of the V4s offered with short shafts, except possibly some racing motors. Those V4s are also the last of the old style ?super quiet? lower units that pre-dated the through-hub exhaust. They might even have the mechanical shift (the old 60/65s only came that way while the 75/80/85s came with mechanical shift or Electramatic shift). Those were the last editions of the early V4s and as such I remember the parts being somewhat expensive back in the days when parts were readily available. At least if it is in fact a 1968 model it will use surface gap plugs and CDI ignition, not the belt driven distributor-magneto type ignition that its predecessors came with. If the motor is an Electramatic 85 I would hesitate to jump in with both feet due to nearly non-existent and/or very pricey parts availability. It?s not that they were bad motors, they were very good, but 45 years after they were made it is a different story.

Any objections to running a pair of 40s, or even a pair of looper 50s?

The 50, 70 & 75 loopers from the 1970s were available in short shaft but they were always relatively scarce. They were of interest to boaters with small, light, fast boats with shallow draft. The only 50 I would consider is a 1973+ with the Powershift II transmission. Same goes for the 70 & 75-horse 3 cylinder looper motors. The 70 & 75-horse triples with short shaft, unlike the long shaft version, did not used the self-contained tilt tube for steering where you can simply run the cable to the motor, then attach a little ?bow-like? adapter from the transom clap to the steering tab on the motor. The shorties used the older style tilt tube where one end had to anchored to the transom, just like the pre-1973 motors.

Anyway, I am just rambling. That Mercury 80 short shaft looks like a good motor. Probably about a 1978+. Older Mercs scare me because of parts availability, and proprietary tools to work on them.
 

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Hello, I have a 1971 Johnson 50 with controls. I live in Surprise Arizona. If still looking my cell is 6zero2Five4zero98seven5 and I can give you history of motor and pics. Used last summer, runs fine.
 

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Re: Does a short shaft, remote, 50+ HP outboard motor exist?

Forgot in reply that it is a short shaft.
 
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