Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

nokiddin

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Well I had quite the experience boating yesterday, so figured I would share it here and hopefully you guys get a kick out of it.

Went out to do some tubing with friends. We get to the launch, I prep the boat back up to the ramp and hop out to get in the boat while my girlfriend is gonna back in the rest of the way. About this time a guy walks over to talk and tells me he is waiting for me to launch so he can retrieve his boat. So this is only my third time doin this, so having someone waiting for me apparently made my brain malfunction (as you'll see). So I hop in the boat, tilt the motor down, fire up the motor (hey it started great) and then realize we haven't backed into the water yet. So the engine runs for about 5 seconds, I shut er down, we back in, start up and launch, this time without issue.

So I pull up to a dock about 100 yards away to pick up my girlfriend after she parks the truck, she hops in, we pull away and she says "why's there water in the boat?" Well wouldn't you know it, but now I realize I didn't put the plug in! So after a bit of a tussle, I get the plug in, turn on the bilge and we get to sit there pumping the bilge while people drive by staring. What a feeling.

So finally we get out to the open water, and start tubing. I notice my boat doesn't seem to idle very well and will stall if I don't keep the fast idle on, or get it in gear and throttled up fast enough before the engine stalls. Once you're goin, it seems to operate well enough so we tube for awhile then head back to the launch. Now this stalling everytime I shift or throttle down to idle is making retrieving a little hairy, since everytime i need to reverse quickly the engine dies and I need to quickly restart and I have to come into the trailer too fast. But I get it lined up near perfect, but too fast and throw it in reverse, she stalls I can't stop fast enough and before you know it, the boat goes through the front of the trailer. (now I have some great scratches in my hull, guess i'll need to repaint) So I start up again, put it in reverse to pull back and what's that noise? oh its the prop hitting the trailer. Great!

So finally we are able to get home safely, I was beginning to wonder.

Enjoy, I bet you'll laugh at this rookie. I hope the engine issue isn't to do with starting out of the water, but really it only ran for about 5 seconds, 10 absolute most.
 

Philster

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Re: Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

:facepalm:

Sorry, bro! Sounds like you need a laminated check list and to get a procedure that is bullet proof. Try to settle down and avoid rushing.

Most people that feel rushed will goof up. No one will get impatient with you if you are doing what you are supposed to do to launch, just as long as you aren't treating the ramp like a prep area or rest home.

Cool, calm and methodical.

Good luck! Practice on an off day somewhere. It's worth it.

Too many variables that can be covered in other sections about engine issues. You could have hurt the impellor and problems with running were because she was running rich from being overheated. Overheating an engine shortens its like by leaps and bounds when you kepe running it, so now you need to get a thorough inspection. So, yeah... your symptoms alone say that you toasted the impeller and ran hot, because a hot engine will run rich and stall at low speeds, but even a carb engine that can't adjust will still need more power to idle, etc.

Post in engine section.
 

spoilsofwar

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Re: Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

Nothing makes people more prone to mistakes then self-induced pressure... The guy waiting at the ramp can wait; he'll live. Being discourteous and tying up at the launch ramp dock for longer then absolutely neccessary, or backing down the ramp and then doing your prep work like removing transom straps, putting in the plug (try to remember that next time ;)) is one thing, but going faster then you need to because someone is waiting on you is another. If it takes you a few minutes more, so what? Its a few minutes, that's nothing out of his day.

I launch and retrieve by myself often... It means I have to drop the boat in, tie it off at the ramp dock, go park the truck, and then walk back down and move the boat. Takes me probably 8-10 minutes, and ties up the ramp for that period of time. I do it at a quiet ramp though, at a state park, and have never made anyone wait on me (yet). When, inevitably, someone does have to wait on me, then they can do just that; wait. I'll smile politely at them and know that even if I take a few minutes of their time, they're going to forget all about it a half an hour later once they're out on the water.

I waited 37 (yes! 37. I timed it) minutes for a guy to retrieve his two Sea-Doos yesterday before I could pull my boat out of the water... Doing idling circles to fight wind and current the whole time because I did not want to have to drop anchor. The guy must have jackknifed his trailer 10 times backing down the ramp before he smarted up and opened the liftgate on his SUV so he could see the trailer. Then he took forever tying down the ski's on the ramp and not in the tie down area. Clearly, a newbie to this recreation...

When I got my boat tied up at the ramp and was walking to get my truck and trailer, I passed him and he apologized; I told him no worries and that we all have our bad days. I'm sure he was expecting me to be a d!ck about it... Maybe me not giving him any flak over it will help him relax next time.
 

saxrulez

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Re: Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

Set up a routine that is set in stone for launching. Never change the order you do things. Find a quiet or slow day and go over everything very methodically. Write it down if you need to.

I make it a habit to pull off to the side before approaching the ramp. Then remove transom straps, check plug, tilt motor up, flip the tilt lever, and prime the motor. Only then do I get near the actual ramp.

Do all of your prep stuff before you actually get on the ramp. Doing all of this before eliminates any feelings of needing to rush on the ramp. Just have to back it in, tilt the motor down, and start err up.
 

haulnazz15

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Re: Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

We have a saying in the flying world: you are the pilot-in-command, and you are responsible for the safety of the flight. There is no reason to feel rushed by someone waiting for a boat ramp. What's the worst that could happen if he has to wait, he gets irritated?! Big deal. If you have done your prep work before getting on the ramp, it shouldn't take more than 5 minutes to get the boat down the ramp and fired up. Pilots use checklists meticulously, and you may think about doing so, too. Almost everyone has left a plug out before, it's not that big of a deal as long as you catch it. While firing the engine out of water wasn't good, if it only ran for 5 seconds, I would doubt that it trashed the impeller. If you had said 20-30 seconds, I'd be more inclined to agree. If you are having cooling issues, the impeller/cooling system was likely below par before this outing.
 

Home Cookin'

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Re: Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

If I may offer a suggestion, learn to operate the boat without routinely using reverse as a brake. For one thing it's hell on your lower unit. As you saw, with boat engines, they get cranky and shut off and there you are with no brakes.

The best way to approach a dock, trailer, whatever, is NOT to go in gear at a slow speed. instead, coast in neutral, bumping into gear as needed. For one thing, you avoid the reverse/brake issue except at very low speed. for another, not as big a crisis if the motor cuts out. Finally, the boat is less likely to cut out in neutral and if you are having problems you have the warm-up lever to help.

Never shift directly from forward to reverse. Your gears (clutch dog to be specific) can't handle it. And if you are coasting at any speed, your prop is still turning forward, and you slam the gears when you reverse.

When you do shift, shift hard. Never ease the gear lever into gear so you hear that noise. You know, the one that makes boat mechanics perk up and smile.

As for the ramp stuff, everyone does stuff like that. I remind myself, "when you get in a hurry, you get hurt."
 

H20Rat

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Re: Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

Do all of your prep stuff before you actually get on the ramp. Doing all of this before eliminates any feelings of needing to rush on the ramp. Just have to back it in, tilt the motor down, and start err up.

Out of all the tips for a newbie, that is probably the most important. Things that are a result of lack of experience are nothing to sweat about. If you can't back straight down, or get the boat on the trailer, those are all minor and will come with time and experience. Don't let things like that bother you.

Tying up the ramp for 10 minutes while you load the cooler, or unloading all the beer cans from your boat while still on the ramp, no amount of experience will fix those. That is just a plain lack of common sense and understanding of the world around the person.
 

jcupo6

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Re: Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

Definitely setup a routine, the more you launch the faster you'll get, but never rush. I almost always launch by myself and have become pretty efficient. ALWAYS pull off to the side and prep your boat first, there's nothing worse than people on the ramp/dock taking off straps and loading supplies while others are waiting ready to go.

My routine
1. Remove straps
2. Drain plug
3. Attach trolling motor to transom and battery - test it
4. Life vests
5. Gear
6. Disconnect trailer lights - I was told this was a good thing to do, not sure if it's true or not but now it's a habit.
7. Make sure docking rope is very easily accessible.

I usually do one final walk around the boat making sure I didn't forget anything.

Back the boat down the ramp, launch, tie the boat to the dock. I will tie the boat as far away from the ramp as possible so someone else can start launching while I park the truck.

Like spoilsofwar said, do not rush. I've been launching boats for years and 95% of the issues I've had are a result of rushing. Take your time, be thorough. As long as you're doing things the right way (prepping and loading before backing down the ramp) most people will be patient.
 

spoilsofwar

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Re: Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

6. Disconnect trailer lights - I was told this was a good thing to do, not sure if it's true or not but now it's a habit.

A good idea if your trailer uses incandescent bulbs and the housings allow water inside. A hot bulb and cold water = blown.

LED lights aren't affected.
 

JimKW

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Re: Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

My first year I made a checklist on and Excel spreadsheet and would always use the sheet. 2nd year shortened the checklist, but still used the sheet some. This year I have not used it at all because it has become more or less 2nd nature. But I have to say I backed down the ramp last week and was just getting the boat into the water when I realized I forgot to remove the transom straps. Pulled up just a little and took them off. No big dea and I just stayed calm and coold about it. One guy saw me and just said good catch. Have never forgot the plug yet though. I always start the boat on muffs at home and put the plug in at that time.

If I were you I would definitely build a check list and use it every time you go out the 1st year.
 

TerryMSU

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Re: Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

One final thought... don't let anyone mess with your routine. Help is not always a good thing.

TerryMSU
 

nokiddin

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Re: Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

While firing the engine out of water wasn't good, if it only ran for 5 seconds, I would doubt that it trashed the impeller. If you had said 20-30 seconds, I'd be more inclined to agree. If you are having cooling issues, the impeller/cooling system was likely below par before this outing.

It was a hot humid day, 86 F, would that make the engine run a little too hot? I could actually smell a little more gas than i have in the past back by the engine and was wondering if a choke was stuck on or something.
 

haulnazz15

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Re: Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

It was a hot humid day, 86 F, would that make the engine run a little too hot? I could actually smell a little more gas than i have in the past back by the engine and was wondering if a choke was stuck on or something.

That isn't hot and humid where I'm from. If your cooling system is an open-system (meaning no antifreeze), then it should run around 140-degrees no matter what. I had the boat out in 103F this weekend and the temp gauge was between 130-140, and we ran it for an hour and half straight.
 

jcupo6

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Re: Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

One final thought... don't let anyone mess with your routine. Help is not always a good thing.

Couldn't agree more! If I take someone out, I just tell them to wait by the dock while I prep the boat. If someone helps me my routine gets messed up and it actually takes longer to launch.
 

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Re: Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

Thanks for sharing. Hopefully things will go better next time.
 

ajgraz

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Re: Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

About this time a guy walks over to talk and tells me he is waiting for me to launch so he can retrieve his boat.

"Hey, stop what you're doing so I can tell you to hurry up!" Classic.
 

fishrdan

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Re: Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

I usually do one final walk around the boat making sure I didn't forget anything.

Yup ^^^ I (almost) always do a final walk around to make sure everything is in order. This is before towing, before launching, before pulling away from the dock, etc. I can't count the number of times I've caught something I haven't done, or something another person said they did, or didn't do it correctly. When I haven't done the final walk around, there have been issues...
 

nosaj

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Re: Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

I feel your pain.

At the marina we use on the intercostal, in the late afternoons the "peanut gallery" as I call them gather to watch people launching and loading. They know that it is this process where most people have an accident so they gather like vultures. Kinda like people that watch Nascar just for th wrecks.
 

Home Cookin'

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Re: Disaster at the Ramp (felt that way anyway)

nosaj (jason) half of those people are forum members. Just try power loading and watch them all get spun up.
 
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