Difficulty in online diagnosing engine problems

Frank Acampora

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This post is directed at those people who seem to have a most difficult problem, or one that seems to be puzzling. It may explain why we sometimes can not exactly determine quickly what is happening.

A fellow called me several times about a poor running engine. He cleaned the carb and replaced the inlet needle. Now the engine was flooding as soon as he started it. I advised him and he checked the enrichment valve with no improvement. After a number of phone conversations I said "Well, the carb may be bad. Bring it to me and I will see if I can replace it." He wanted me to mail it BUT I said no. I needed to see it to tell if I had a direct replacement. So, he drove the boat out to my place.

I removed the carb and took off the float bowl. The first thing I noticed was that the float was set too low. With the carb inverted I blew through the inlet and it did not seal. I removed the float and needle. Inside the seat I saw a shadow that looked suspicious. I did not like it and decided to investigate further. I removed the inlet elbow which was sealed with Permatex. Another shadow was visible there inside the carb casting.

Probing, I determined that it probably was a small piece of Permatex. It was tenacious and took about 10-15 minutes of spraying and poking with a pipe cleaner to get it out.

Surprised, he said that he definitely cleaned the carb, he had blown through the inlet as I instructed him on the phone and it did seal. I have no doubt that he did indeed clean the carb a couple of times but given the amount of time it took to clear that one small, hardly noticeable piece, I suspect that it would have just dropped back, only to partially clog the seat and hold the inlet needle open when the engine was started.

After possibly working it out (I say possibly, because I did not see it come out but I could not see it inside either) upon assembly the float was now at its correct height, the carb did not flood, and the engine started and ran passably well.

While it took several phone calls of at least 15 minutes each with no positive result, upon seeing the carb it only took about 5 minutes to determine the problem.

The moral is that sometimes, we just need to actually see the problem and let our gut feeling guide us. This is not possible online.
 

emoney

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Re: Difficulty in online diagnosing engine problems

So, Frank, if I understand this right: The next time I have an issue with my
motor, you are going to fly to Florida and look at it in person?

Man, that is awesome of you. In this day and age, it's hard to find a person
willing and capable, such as yourself, to go the extra mile. I'm going to go
break something just to be able to shake your hand in person!!!:p:D
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: Difficulty in online diagnosing engine problems

No, read again and you will note that he dragged his boat to me. Of course, if you are willing to pay the airfare, I would be willing to shake your hand. NOT! Ever since 911, your govt. has made those ridiculous rules and I don't fly! How are you going to hijack an airliner with (finger)nail clippers--Huh?

Now, again of course, If you want to make an appointment and drag your boat to me-----Florida is only what? 15 hours from Philly now? LOL
 

dkonrai

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Re: Difficulty in online diagnosing engine problems

frank,
so if i tow my boat you can check it out??? cool, how long does it take to tow a boat from california? i cant seem to find a mechanic out west. :D
dino
 

blueoval78

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Re: Difficulty in online diagnosing engine problems

Man I wish I had someone like you near me! I bought my first boat in May of this year. Nothing special, just an '88 bayliner capri 1500 with a force 50 for $1500. I took it to a reputable marina near my cottage for a 'freshening up' since it wasn't running properly. $600 later, it runs ok but still has issues. Until purchasing this boat my marine knowledge was zero but since joining this forum and reading a clymer manual i feel confident that i could do a way better job than the clowns @ the marina. Seems like all the good force mechanics around me have retired and no one knows how to work on these motors anymore!
 
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