difference in 115 and 140 crossflow

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I was wondering what was the difference between my friends 1979-115 and a 1980-140? is it just the bubble back exaust? cause the 140 has it the 115 dosent. and will it fit, and if it does will he gain anything? or is it carbs? any info will be greatly appreciated. thanks
 
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Re: difference in 115 and 140 crossflow

I think it's the bubble back, higher comp heads, and the carbs. The timing might be diferent as well. Porting may also be different as well. <br /><br />I am sure there are plenty of experts who will have the correct answer.
 

jimmbo

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Re: difference in 115 and 140 crossflow

Porting is the same, compression is same, the bubble back and the exhaust tube are pretty much the difference. The carbs are the same, although jetting might be different due to the exhaust tuning. A 115 can be converted but some machining will be needed to fit the bubble back and the exhaust stuffers in the block.<br />You will gain some top end power, but will lose some low end torque.
 

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Re: difference in 115 and 140 crossflow

I've put a couple of bubble backs on 115's. Direct bolt up. You need the deflectors too to get the tuned exhaust effect.
 

Dhadley

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Re: difference in 115 and 140 crossflow

On a V4 cf the plates will bolt on, no problem. You may or may not chose to machine out the center rib at the bottom. The 140's were, the 135's werent. It may help at 6500+ but at 5800, it wont matter. Once you see the two of them apart side by side you'll see what I mean.<br /><br />As for the inserts -- dont worry about them. Leave them out. At 5800 youll gain about 50-maybe 100 rpm. At 7000 you'll gain 400. Trust me.<br /><br />Which ever carb you use, dont rejet it. Use them as produced thru about 6300-6400. If you get that far we'll talk again.<br /><br />Dont expect to see some monster gain. It aint gonna happen. If the 115 is set up in the low to mid 5000 range, I doubt you'll see any rpm gain by adding the exhaust plates. If youre close to 6000 with the flatback you might see some gain in acceleration and and some on top.<br /><br />If youre looking for crossflow power, the bubble back will provide a slight opportunity but the serious gains are in the other end.
 

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Re: difference in 115 and 140 crossflow

the 140's also used filler blocks in the reed block area. but like Dhadly said the difference for the average user wont be worth the time and effort.
 

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Re: difference in 115 and 140 crossflow

Was there a bubble back 115 in 1976? I have an old '76 140 that's got the bubble back on it, but recently got a '76 115 that has a bubble back as well. The shop I bought it from put a new powerhead on it in '97, it's a PMC powerhead, not an OMC, but from what I understand they are almost identical. Anyway the engine cover has 115 decals, so I just assumed that the new powerhead was a 115, but could it be a 140, since it's got the bubble back?
 

Dave Abrahamson

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Re: difference in 115 and 140 crossflow

My 1997 115 SPL is a bubbleback...if that is of any relevance.
 

jimmbo

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Re: difference in 115 and 140 crossflow

crank rated 140 = prop rated 115/110... approx
 

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Re: difference in 115 and 140 crossflow

I don't think they ever lost that much HP through the L/U. I think the max loss was around 5%. Which would make a crank rated 140 around 133 or so at the prop.
 

jimmbo

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Re: difference in 115 and 140 crossflow

Well when OMC switched to prop rating their 140 became either a 115 or 110. The Too Thursty Five (235) became a 185.
 

Magnum1500

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Re: difference in 115 and 140 crossflow

I have heard that the old 140 hp crossflows only made 128-130hp at the crank on a good day. OMC were able to get away with selling them as a 140 hp because it was within the allowable tolerance.<br /><br />It would be fair to say that the 130 hp at the crank would only translate to 115hp at the prop.
 

jimmbo

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Re: difference in 115 and 140 crossflow

I heard that too.
 

Dhadley

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Re: difference in 115 and 140 crossflow

OK, here's a thought -- dont get too hung up on horsepower numbers. I'm not sure how much everybody knows about how a dyno is run -- and I'm talking a real read-out dyno, not just a water break for loading -- but you can "make" a dyno read out in a great variance on the same motor.<br /><br />Then keep in mind the NMMA's allowable tolerances. Also remember that before the early to mid 80's the NMMA didn't really enforce those rules all that closely. Thru the 60's and 70's a lot was determined on the race course.<br /><br />Anyway, lets look at torque rather than hp. The difference between a V4 cf with a flat back exhaust and one with a bubble is minimal in the rpm range we're talking about. Even between the 85/90 small port style and the 115/140 larger port style. <br /><br />Since 1979 all V4 cf's have the same bore, stroke, gear ratio, ignition, crank, rods, piston, intake, mid section (there are some variances between years but not between hp's in the same year) and general carb configuration. <br /><br />This is why a lot of times we see someone go to a lot of expense to upgrade from a 90 or 115 (flat back) to a 140 style bubble back and they're very disappointed. Again, in the rpm range around 5600. <br /><br />However we do see an advantage in the bubble back exhaust after 6300-6500 rpm. But that's not where the average V4 cf is set at. <br /><br />Horsepower is an OK guideline but torque is where its at. A stock 120 looper will always out run, out pull and out perform even the healthiest 140 crossflow.
 

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Re: difference in 115 and 140 crossflow

Dhadley, so what your sayin is for me to deep 6 my cf90 and put on a looper 150 on my 16ft bass boat? :D I like your way of thinking. ;)
 

Dhadley

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Re: difference in 115 and 140 crossflow

Now we're talkin!!!<br /><br />Man what a combo that would (will) be!
 

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Re: difference in 115 and 140 crossflow

How high can you actually turn a 115 CF, not 24/7, but now and then for 10 min, or so without taking risks. I am very close at having my 16,5 feet runabout ready with the 115 CF on, whole combo weighs 850 lbs, and I have props from the 15" SST Solas to a 20" modifiend Suzuki TURBO to try ! Guess I better order a set of boyesens from start.
 
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