Dang Dogs!

[ebbtide176]

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sorry ck, i guess my earlier replies amtd to venting... its really hard to say what to do, kinda like expectin beaux to pop in and give you a prescription without gettin details. you've given some, but it takes lookin at the dog, testing various approaches, etc. you know, how did you deal with a$$holes when in grade school- one at a time.<br /><br />i think if the owner is interested in getting them 'in shape' they might need to isolate those dogs, and work on them at a time. get one in control, then let it affect the other... sounds like they need some long, long leashes in order to 'yank' when reinforcing the 'NO' command. also, a good smack upside their body when givin the cmd might involve the owner using a 'throw chain'. if they want to educate the animal, suggest they research obedience training... sorry i can't offer more.

 

[bobber head]

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Cat turds and lemon juice.<br />At the least, your feel your doing something.<br /><br />I had a cat that continued to pee on my side of the bed. No matter what she wouldn't stop. After one two many times of laying down on cat pee, I snapped her up, and out to side yard we went. It was much more difficult then walking and chewing gum at the same time, but I mamnaged to pee on the cat before she clawed my arm off and I felt much better. I had no idea this would "break" her of the event, I was just mad - but it did.

 

[roscoe]

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bobber, you're lucky the only thing getting clawed was your arm, OUCH! Dangerous. Man do you have **lls, or at least you did.<br /><br />Unfortunately only a couple of the suggestions posted hear will solve the problem, those involving training. Punishment or pain etc, will only evoke more , possibly different, but more of a action/re-action from the dog. It must be initiated and followed up on by the owners or a professional, and then reinforced, and enforced.<br />If they don't do this, it is a lost cause.<br /><br />Do Not do anything that will or could injure the dog without getting written permission from the owners. My comments about carrying my <br />compact .40 are my last resort in dealing with a truly vicious dog, in my own yard, and an owner that refuses to address the situation. Law enforcement says there is nothing they can do because there haven't been 3 skin breaking incidents, (only one). But try telling that to my 70 year old mother when she is pinned against the car. When she visits, she honks the horn until I come out to escort her into the house. <br /><br />Sounds like your neighborhood has gone to the dogs. Doh! Good Luck.

 

[Scoop]

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CK, I am glad you have permission from the owners to help solve the problem. it is now a conditioning problem. I wish I could give advice, but I know nothing about training stubborn dogs except learning from a professional trainer. Good luck. <br /><br />Bobberhead, That takes guts especially on a cat with claws. That it solved your problem is good. I had a cat that would do that when I neglected to keep the litterbox clean. It did **** me off something fierce, but I knew how to solve it. I had to do my duty and keep the litterbox clean. I was falling down on my duty and she only did it when the box was really bad.

 

[bobber head]

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Actually, with a one arm wingspan of 26", it wasn't that heroic. I still had a 25.5" safety margine .<br /><br />CK - Guess I should say that I was NOT suggesting you pee on the dog. But more over that sometimes a solution appears out of nowhere.<br />Of course if it's dark, you have to go, and no ones around but you and the dog....<br /><br />Seems money is the way to motivate people. When somethings going to cost them money they tackle the problem.<br />Example:<br />Tell peoples next door your thinking of a privacy, picket fence to settle the issue. By rights, they would be expected to pay for half the cost, right?<br /><br />Plant a finacial bug in their ear, BH

 

[Tacklewasher]

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Lemon juice in a good super soaker. Over and over, day-in and day out until the dog stops. If you squirt him once, stand there and don't back down. If he barks, do it again.<br /><br />If you come outside and he doesn't bark, play with him, or give him a treat. Reward the good behaviour and ignore the bad.<br /><br />Having said that, I've got a barker. Little Terrier that just loves to bark at anyone walking down the street. I've though about the bark collar but am (seriously) too afraid the other dog will figure it out and bark to hurt her sister. She's smart enough to figure it out and find it funny.

 

[Scoop]

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LOL, sorry for the .5" safety margin Bobberhead. People outside my office are wondering what I am laughing at.

 

[bobber head]

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Well, I guess I should add that is in the morning - at my proudest.

 

[CalicoKid]

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Ebb, your post about hardheaded Beagles etc. reminded me of my favorite dog. When I was teenaged a farmer gave me a stray Beagle and my dad let me keep him as he had some sort of soft spot for Beagles. That dog didn't have a bit of training in his life and he did what he damn well pleased. He couldn't hunt, just chased every trail and every animal he found. Lucky for me he was a good dog, and he liked me as much as I liked him. <br /><br />We lived in town and kept him in a kennel or on a chain hound dog style, (but he didn't ever live under the porch). If that dog got loose for a second he would run off without hesitating. I can still see him running away from me looking over his back at me while I tried to call him back. That never worked, he would be gone for the whole night or even a few days but I would always find him on the back porch in the morning as I left for school. Too exhausted to lift his head, I would have to literally carry him to his kennel. The first time he ran I thought I lost him as he was a stray to begin with but he always returned. The Beagle would jog off down the sidewalk, turn down the railroad tracks and run a mile or so to a 40 acre piece of property my dad owns outside of town. Funny, he always used the sidewalk, and the railroad and ended up on our property chasing and playing. He didn't tresspass on others' land! How could he know?? We could hear him in the nighttime chasing and howling on the hillside. <br /><br />My dad got fed up with him for some reason once and dropped him off with the farmer I got him from and the dog got loose that night and I found him on the porch again in the morning! He trekked at least 5 miles to get home. I think he chose to stay with us because we let him be himself and we didn't have a problem with his antics. He was a reasonably well behaved dog by chance.<br /><br />One afternoon he was asleep on his back in the shade. I thought it'd be funny to sneak up and startle him. I creeped up to him and grabbed him snarling like a monster. He yelped out loud and let loose with his bladder as he flopped around trying to get out of my grip and onto his feet! Man, I got hosed! I couldn't be mad though because I brought it on myself.<br /><br />I came back fron college one weekend to learn that he had been allowed to hang around the yard off his leash and bit a cop's wife who was walking down the sidewalk. My dad shot him. His name was Rover and I loved that dog.

 

[CalicoKid]

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I completely agree that all dogs are different from one another but there are qualities that all canines have in common as well. I thought of treating the pooch when he lets me pass with no barking, I bought treats and gave him a few but he never lets me by without barking so he never gets treats. I toss them to the Pitbull however because he is a good boy. I've been doing this for a while in hopes the Retriever would notice the good behavior=reward equation but no such luck. I'm not going to do anything cruel to try to modify his behavior. My windbreak/hedge is growing up fast and he won't be able to see me anymore pretty soon.<br /><br />Derwood, I figured the scent marking would be a good way to get him to lose some confidence about just how much territory he really controls. As much as he pisses he can't possibly keep up, I have three cats and I'll pitch in too if I have to! I'm just trying to irritate him on his own level really, even if he doesn't understand . As long as he invades my aural turf with his bark, I'll invade his olfactory turf! I really like your idea of sitting in a chair next to the fence and ignoring him until he's good!! I like to read and be outside and I think I could take out the treats and lemon juice and a good book and handle this!<br /><br />I am averse to resorting to physical punishment because it's not my dog and I'd rather not be a bad guy to him or the neighbor. I do understand the need for a good thumping under certain circumstances though. Gives a dog (or any animal) an idea of just what you are capable of if they need that kind of fear of consequence in order to respect you. Those are most likely dogs who would rather please themselves than their masters.<br /><br />Thanks all!

 

[roscoe]

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bobber head, I guess that would explain the name of your boat?<br /><br />(Check out his profile and you'll understand too.)

 

[BlackSmoke]

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Calico,<br />Punishments won't work, you'll just create a monster. The "kittie treats" just rewarded the dog for its bad behavior. If the dog's wagging its tail it just wants your attention. First of all, be nice to it; really try. I'm amazed at how often friendly, goofy dog talk disarms a barking dog. Squat down when you do this. Have treats in hand and reward the dog every time you can get it to stop barking. I know you didn't buy the dog and it's not really your responsibility, but you two are neighbors so you'd better get on with making your relationship as good as you can.<br />It takes a village...

 

[pmueller]

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When quail hunting in Texas once, the outfitter had a "trouble" dog. Pointed well, ranged well, but would always run away with a retrieved bird...wouldn't respond to a call. He tried the shock collar around his neck, but didn't work. Darn dog would just keep running. His solution, he put the collar around the dog just in front of his back legs (get the picture?). That fixed it allright. Took a couple of "hand stands" but it worked. Didn't exactly get him to retrieve well, but he sure would drop the bird.

 

[BassMan283]

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roscoe, you are clearly a more patient man than I am. If it was me, that .40 would only have been fired once.