cracked/caved-in keels

fishguy

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Hey folks.<br /><br />I have a 14.5' Arkansas Traveler, mid-60's vintage (from what I can tell).<br />It's suffering from what I'm told is a 'broken back'. I picked it up as a first boat, and didn't know exactly what to look for.<br />This boat has no wooden floor or stringers. There's 3 keels, each one having a piece of wood in it, running most of the length of the boat.<br />All 3 keels were cracked and caved up a bit, but repaired by a previous owner. <br />The damage is right at the 3 rear rollers, so I would imagine the boat was either trailered hard or sat with a lot of weight/water in it.<br />The keels weren't straightened when they were repaired, they were just gobbed over.<br /><br />I flipped it upside down on the lawn and braced the keels from underneath with a 2x4 on end (weight of boat sitting on the 2x4 and straightening the keel) and did what I thought was a good repair. It was sound and solid, but the boat always seemed to lift in the rear and nose down in the front at top speed. Now that I've upgraded from a 20hp rude to a 35hp Merc, the problem is a lot larger and makes for a twitchy boat, expecially when I'm alone and the back end is light.<br />It's not a concern if I have 2 people sitting in the back, but when I'm alone it plows the nose down so hard that it tries to lean to port or starboard in the front, to ride up on one half of the V....not fun.<br /><br />The issue is that the crooked keels are causing a concave area about 2' from the back end, and it's trying to plane on the back 1/2 of this concave area, causing the stern to rise up.<br /><br />It's a first boat, so I don't want to sink a lot of $ into it, but don't really know how to go about the repair myself.<br /><br />Having the new(er) 35 now, I'm almost tempted to find a hull in good shape and go from there. But, I love the style of the traveler....<br /><br />How would a person go about getting the keels straightened out and repaired so they stay straight....?<br /><br />The trailer is a home-make rig, salt water and age has taken it's toll, so I'll be in the market for a trailer in the spring....since I now have a good motor, and will need to pick up a trailer, I think my best bet would be hunting around for a hull/trailer combo with no motor....but there's not a huge boating community in my area...lots of big boats and fishing (commercial) boats around here but next to nothing in the 14-15' runabout catagory.<br /><br />TIA!
 

JB

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Re: cracked/caved-in keels

Augh! :eek: <br /><br />Broken backs on hulls do not heal, AC. They must be completely replaced or the hull must be junked. :( <br /><br />Sounds like you need a new hull. I like your idea of finding a bare hull with trailer.<br /><br />Good luck. :)
 

fishguy

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Re: cracked/caved-in keels

Nope. Sorry. That's not the answer I was looking for. NEXT!!<br /><br />Just kidding.<br /><br />I have a feeling that finding a good hull and trailer will be impossible....<br /><br />It doesn't affect things if I'm loaded up with the wife and kids...I find it's being used for family stuff like touring around and tubing more than the original plan (solo fishing)....but that's not a bad thing....<br /><br />I'll probably just keep running it the way it is until a steal of a deal drops out of the sky. <br />hehe<br /><br />Thanks!!
 

Bondo

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Re: cracked/caved-in keels

Nope. Sorry. That's not the answer I was looking for. NEXT!!
OK,.................JB's Right...... What you've got is a Piece of Scrap Fiberglass............<br />It'll take a Major Over-Haul of the Basic Hull to Repair it........ More than it's Worth,....Probably.....<br />
I have a feeling that finding a good hull and trailer will be impossible....
You'll be Surprised........<br />Motors Break all the time..... And, Are Expensive to Repair/Replace........<br />Lots of Nearly Value-Less hulls laying around in need of motors.........<br /><br />I don't know how far you are from the border,, But in Maine there's a Swapsheet called Uncle Henry's.....<br />It's Full of what you're looking for most weeks..........
 

fishguy

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Re: cracked/caved-in keels

Thanks for the info JB...didn't mean anything by the 'wrong answer' comment...just trying to be funny. I could likely make a half-a$$ed attempt at fixing it, and end up with a big mess.<br />Like I said, with a couple people and fishing gear in the boat, it's fine...it's just a bother when I'm alone....I'll run it the way it is for a while. It's solid and sound, just not quite the right shape..<br /> <br />I'll check out Uncle Henry's....I'm a ways from the border, but nothing that a couple hours drive wouldn't take care of...plus, there's some pretty good bass fishing down around the Maine border...kill 2 birds with one stone.<br /><br />I finally talked the wife into letting me get a boat...now I have to talk her into letting me get another one.. :p <br /><br />I don't want to get into a conflict of interest with this fine site, but if anyone knows of any other spots I might find a hull and trailer (local to me), please let me know.<br />I'm in Moncton NB, for anyone who knows the area.<br /><br />Once again, thanks for the info guys.
 

Evinrude Boater

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Re: cracked/caved-in keels

Why don't you get another anchor and a big dog to help weigh it down when you're out by yourself.
 

Northern Eclipse

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Re: cracked/caved-in keels

Hey A.C <br /> My younger brother had the same boat,the centre keel had a huge hook in it, what we did was first support the boat at the back at the chines and blocked the the bow as far up the keel as possible and made sure the boat was level and square, stripped out the seats and carefully cut out the centre keel from inside the boat, but has not to cut through the outer skin, just enough to dig out the wet rotten and broken wood, once we had broken that bond the hull sprung back into shape, checked keel with strait edge and then blocked every foot or so the entire length. We then used a solid piece of Oak stock and shaped with small grinder and sanders to fill the void, bonded into place with epoxy mixed with micro ballons and glassed over with strip of roven and biaxel cloth about 6 inches wide from inside, we placed cinder block on either side of keel on floor of boat has close to centre as possible at every point there was a block so the floor would not pop up and let cure for a couple of days. Result was boat strait again and is still in service today, we did that repair some 10 years ago, you have nothing to lose and the repair only cost aboat $75 since that hull has no sub floors or foam to worry about.
 

Mark42

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Re: cracked/caved-in keels

Currious if you have played with different trim settings after fixing the keel(s). Maybe it would ride better if it was trimmed out a bit. Should be easy to test. With the motor all the way down, bring it back up a few degrees at a time and see if there is any change. I think the more you trim out, the more the back goes down and the front goes up. From my experience in my small boat, small changes in trim made a big difference in handling at top speeds.
 

whiteox3

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Re: cracked/caved-in keels

I had the same trouble as you I riped the floor out cleaned out the old stringers,And installed channel steel stringer 2inch and hot gallved. this was the centered one there was 5 all together used wood 1.5''on the other 4 build up the stringers to level the floor. cemented all stringers with polister R Filled the bottom with empty plastic bottles installed ex.ply.painted with deck painting. this was 5 years ago and it's still in great shape Don
 
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