Contender Lawsuit in Florida

solarfry

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tashasdaddy

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Re: Contender Lawsuit in Florida

they ran that boat pretty hard. we know nothing of the actually circumstances. so lest not fill this with speculations, and conjecture. we don't have all the story.
 

hwsiii

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Re: Contender Lawsuit in Florida

tashasdaddy, I have read every Deposition and Trial transcript of this case, and TBS has definitely been mistreated by contender, and they are a THIRD time buyer of contenders. I have also talked directly with Bill Cordes at contender and he told me that they only have stress cracks in their boat, so I sent him 9 pictures showing him this is not true. The stringers HAVE to be attached to the liner, or you lose about 25 to 35% of the structural strength of the vessel.

Liner to Stringer Structural Damage
These are the words and testimony of James Laffew in his official capacity as contenders expert witness, and his exact statements in the trial as such. How he could look at these pictures and LIE on the stand and say that he sees NO structural damage in this boat I will NEVER know. If I was TBS I would file criminal charges against Mr. Laffew for PERJURY in his testimony and have the justice system teach him that you can't LIE on the stand, EVEN if it is NOT a criminal trial.

Just to let everybody know the liner also includes the deck that you walk on, and that is what you are seeing at the top of the stringers in these pictures that is SUPPOSEDLY attached to the stringers. These are only pictures of the inboard stringers, as nobody can see the outboard stringers as they are hidden by the inboard stringers, but I have to assume that they have the same problems.

Court Testimony of James Laffew

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1 MR. CARY: I'm sorry. That's one thing I

2 did not see.

3 MR. SHINKLE: Okay. Let me see.

4 A Now, this is where the structure -- in

5 addition to the laminate of the boat and how important

6 that is, this is extremely important, the stringers,

7 because this is what's going to tie everything

8 together, and it's going to give you really a lot of

9 structure to make sure that you don't get motion in

10 the hull itself. So, in this -- and this is exactly

11 for this boat, this model boat.



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1 A If you're talking about a catastrophic

2 failure of one of those pieces, it certainly wouldn't

3 be good. I can agree with that.

4 Q So, it's important then that you've got a

5 good bond with the liner to the stringers and also the

6 cap on top of it, right?

7 A Correct. Uh-huh.

8 Q If, in fact, you don't have that good bond

9 there, you do have a structural problem. I know you

10 called it a secondary bond, but you do have a

11 structural problem, don't you?

12 A The structural problem -- if I may --

13 Q Sure.

14 A -- if I may expand, the structural problem

15 I'd like to -- what I call a structural problem is in

16 the connections between the major components. Yes.

17 That is a structural connection.


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If you look at the above pictures it is very easy to see that the bond between the stringers and the liner for the floor deck above are NOT connected in almost any place, much less are they connected ANYWHERE that you can see.

If that is NOT a STRUCTURAL problem, then I have NEVER seen one.

This is how TBS has been cheated by contender since their first ATTEMPT to SUPPOSEDLY take care of a THIRD time customer, and EVERY time TBS gets it back from contender they have the same thing happening over and over.

And this is a major part of the reason why, there is NO connection.

I will personally advise all persons owning contenders and having any problems to look underneath the liner for the connection between the liner and the stringers as this is a STRUCTURAL problem.




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NCLakeboater

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Re: Contender Lawsuit in Florida

I'm confused if the putty is used for leveling on top of the stringers does it offer any adhesion properties? If not, what would the builder use to mate the stringers to the cap?
 

hwsiii

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Re: Contender Lawsuit in Florida

NC, the vinylester is also supposed to bond the stringer to the liner as you stated.




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capt sam

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Re: Contender Lawsuit in Florida

there have been others with similiar issues coming to the surface, Contender has not been stellar in the customer service department for some time, they got a little big for their britches during the boom years and had guys laying glass that were mowing yards the day before. I have a friend with a 31'T that fishes the SKA also, great boats but not perfect.
 

hwsiii

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Sam, I do believe that contender makes great boats, but when they produce a lemon, and EVERY company does now and then, they need to own up to it and TAKE CARE of the customer. That should be their number ONE priority, for the FUTURE success of their COMPANY.



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capt sam

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yeah I agree. Hydra Sports who recently have been bought out after going belly up is having issues with their warranty work, the new owners don't want to touch anything more than a year old, it's a shame companies are doing business this way these days.
 

hwsiii

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Sam, you are right it is a shame. But times are hard right now and they are cutting corners, and I believe that all of them that do it will pay for it in the future, in sales.



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robert graham

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Re: Contender Lawsuit in Florida

Off shore fishing boats and off-shore racing boats would be built and stressed very differently and looks like they've been running the "pee" out of that boat! If he wants to do that stuff, maybe buy a Fountain or Cigarette or other go-fast boat, play like Miami Vice!...
 

capt sam

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Re: Contender Lawsuit in Florida

Fountain has also gone out of business. The SKA guys are tough on boats, when the tournament's here they'll run to the Tortugas and back, and since there's a timetable they tend to get beat up when it's snotty out.
 

seabob4

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Re: Contender Lawsuit in Florida

Fountain has also gone out of business. The SKA guys are tough on boats, when the tournament's here they'll run to the Tortugas and back, and since there's a timetable they tend to get beat up when it's snotty out.

BTW, Fountain is NOT out of business, they are owned by the same group that own's us, Proline.

And hasn't this "issue" been thrown out on virtually every forum? THT? Reelboating? Florida Sportsman? THT again? Do we reallty need to start up another thread on it?:mad:
 

capt sam

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well I guess I hadn't kept up on the latest info on Fountain, is Reggie still involved in operations at all?
 
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