Coasties and Inland Waterways

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Ike-110722

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The US Coast Guard goes where ever there is Federal jurisdiction. This includes all coastal waters and rivers navigable from the sea, all lakes that cross state boundaries (like lake Tahoe. by the way I have been to the station there. It is a great place to be assigned) and historical routes of commerce. That last can be a route that only a canoe can navigate. A good example is the upper Hudson to Lake Champlain.

Years ago when I first signed up (1965) there were units called BOSDETS (Boating Safety Detachments) that had trailerable boats and they went to all of the lakes in their district that were federal jurisdiction. The Colorado river from where it leaves the US, up stream to the north end of lake Powell is federal jurisdiction. Flaming Gorge is too, and so is Bear lake on the Utah idaho border. the list goes on and on. Unfortunately the BOSDETS were disbanded in the early 80's. Now you will likely only see regular CG units on high profile areas such as Lake Mead, Lake Powell, Tahoe. The Parker strip was patrolled by the USCG for many years. In fact it had it's own CG unit for many years. But along with the BOSDETS it went the way of the dinosaurs.

However, you will see USCG Auxiliary anywhere. Jurisdiction is not an issue with the CGAUX because they have no law enforcement authority. I was a director of auxiliary in Utah for several years, we had flotillas on all the lakes in the region.

Oh yeah, it has nothing to do with protection of dams. There is a separate Federal agency tasked with that. The CG will assist them when requested. But if you see the USCG on inland waterways they are there for a lot of reasons, but mostly it's the traditional tasks, law enforcement, search and rescue, boating safety, and aids to navigation on major rivers (Mississippi, Ohio, Missouri; what are called western rivers in the COLREGS.)
 

H20Rat

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The US Coast Guard goes where ever there is Federal jurisdiction. This includes all coastal waters and rivers navigable from the sea, all lakes that cross state boundaries (like lake Tahoe.


It just means they CAN go there, not that they are actually there... I boat on the 4th largest non-great-lake lake in the US, which covers two states, and not a coasty to be seen. There are no stations or USCG presence of any kind, even though it does fall into the federal waters jurisdiction. (lake oahe)
 

Ike-110722

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Of course it means they can, but not that the ARE. The answer is simple. Lack of manpower and resources. You have to have the people and the boats and other logistical stuff. They are off fighting wars (the gulf. Yes the Gulf! and Afghansitan. Yes Baghram!) fighting pollution, drugs, port security and so on and on and on. Boating safety takes a back seat these days. Congress has chopped at least 1000 people (mostly enlisted personnel) from the Coast Guard. Sound crazy? It's true. While we should be giving them more people and boats and planes, instead they are being cut.

Please don't get me started.

So unless this changes, you may never again see USCG on your lake.

And the funds the USCG gives the states for boating safety are getting less as well..... And on it goes.
 

QC

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Careful ^^^^^

I want to be clear; I love seeing them on my lake. Just wanted to understand why . . . :)
 

The Famous Grouse

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FWIW, and this also has the potential to get people fired up, but I counted 7 (someone said 8, but I can't get there) law enforcement agencies on the lake this weekend.

Arizona Game and Fish
California Fish and Game
Mohave County (AZ) Sheriff
La Paz County (AZ) Sheriff
San Bernardino County (CA) Sheriff
Lake Havasu City Police
US Coast Guard

Totally agree.

I have often commented that it seems like wasteful government spending when I see this situation where multiple government agencies all maintain their own overlapping patrol presence on a body of water.

On the navigable parts of the St. Croix and Mississippi Rivers in Minnesota/Wisconsin (the rivers form the boarder in some areas), there are any number of county sheriff, DNR, National Park Service, and USCG patrols. Each of them is running high dollar single and twin engine CC boats with 2 or more officers in the boat. In some cases, I have seen the county sheriffs from opposite sides of the river patrolling the same section of water at the same time.

Is this really necessary? Why can this not be combined and the surrounding jurisdictions all kick money in to one central agency to provide the patrol? Or at the very least, assets should be shared between agencies and the could take turns on patrol.

Grouse
 

Drowned Rat

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FWIW, and this also has the potential to get people fired up, but I counted 7 (someone said 8, but I can't get there) law enforcement agencies on the lake this weekend.

Arizona Game and Fish
California Fish and Game
Mohave County (AZ) Sheriff
La Paz County (AZ) Sheriff
San Bernardino County (CA) Sheriff
Lake Havasu City Police
US Coast Guard

You forgot the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. :)
 

NYBo

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Of course it means they can, but not that the ARE. The answer is simple. Lack of manpower and resources. You have to have the people and the boats and other logistical stuff. They are off fighting wars (the gulf. Yes the Gulf! and Afghansitan. Yes Baghram!) fighting pollution, drugs, port security and so on and on and on. Boating safety takes a back seat these days. Congress has chopped at least 1000 people (mostly enlisted personnel) from the Coast Guard. Sound crazy? It's true. While we should be giving them more people and boats and planes, instead they are being cut.

Please don't get me started.

So unless this changes, you may never again see USCG on your lake.

And the funds the USCG gives the states for boating safety are getting less as well..... And on it goes.
We are getting a lot of encouragement to report all our mission hours to help with the fight against cutbacks. A @#$% shame that the Gold Side is taking a hit at a time like this. Funding for Auxiliary activities and equipment has also been cut.
 

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Totally agree.


Is this really necessary? Why can this not be combined and the surrounding jurisdictions all kick money in to one central agency to provide the patrol? Or at the very least, assets should be shared between agencies and the could take turns on patrol.

Grouse

If you were a member of any one of these agencies, except maybe the Coast Guard, to what duty would you like assignment?

There is your answer.
 

QC

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You forgot the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. :)
There's number 8 . . .

Hey Grouse,

FWIW, I did not supply an opinion for anyone to agree with . . . It is easy to come to a number of conclusions, and I have thought the same as you. However, the events that precede this type of redundancy are not originally shared, so I don't see how they can be easily unwound either. Not supporting, or being critical, but I am trying to keep my own thread open . . . ;)
 

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if you follow the rules what does it matter anyway???
I like to have fun & party as much as anyone but play by the rules.

The CG is on Lake Texoma but if you are doing ok ..no problem..:cool:
 

QC

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I don't think anyone here as complained about the efforts to keep boating safe for all. I was simply curious about where the Inland Water authority for the Coast Guard came from to begin with and noted the various agencies that worked along side. I have yet to see a negative comment other than a quickee relating to cost.
 

26aftcab454

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my experience is that unless you are acting a fool LEO will leave you be.
common sense is not too commom.:cool:

we need someone to enforce the No Wake/ Fish & Game/ every one be a safe boater regs.

I have done my share of stupid stuff but seem to function within the law.:cool:
 

dsiekman

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my experience is that unless you are acting a fool LEO will leave you be.
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Not necessarily the same out here. I boat on the Chesapeake Bay and its tributaries. The Coasties are great. The DNR officers are a bunch of #$%*s.

Nearly every boater in my marina has been stopped and questioned by an officer "lovingly" known as the Sea Witch. If they were doing something wrong, I would have no problem with it. However, several were at anchor, and several others were just cruising along minding their own business. No alcohol, no BS. Just families out for a cruise. She actually cops an attitude with you if she doesn't find anything to ticket you for. Yet somehow there are plenty of idiots still out there that don't seem to get stopped.

Sorry for the rant. Feel free to delete it. Just needed to get it off my chest.
 

hungupthespikes

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With the Home Land Security Act they can all share the same boats?
Here on lake Erie I've seen the
The state highway patrol (with the Smokey bear hats)
I had to verify the shoulder patch just for my own
curiosity. Had never seen them on the water before.
Border Patrol
Coast Guard
City Police (several different citys)
Sheriff
Park Rangers (can't figure that one out either)
Fish and Game, DNR
DOT (another one that gets me, but we do get comm. traffic)
Port Authority
and I'm sure there are more.

All and all I can't blame them, if I could get paid to be on the boat all day I'd jump on it too. Just seems to me as a overkill on security and a waste of tax dollars.
 

JCH57

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I don't know about federal waters, one lake i go to here in sw ohio has two cg axuiliary stations that are unmanned, another lake i go to, is under the army corp, with no cg stations on it. I think the case here is, the ones that are unmanned, were probably volunteers. Just funny that one that is state owned has cg stations, and the one under the corp. dosn't have any.
 

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Arizona Game and Fish
California Fish and Game
Mohave County (AZ) Sheriff
La Paz County (AZ) Sheriff
San Bernardino County (CA) Sheriff
Lake Havasu City Police
US Coast Guard

You are well protected there.

I dont know if any one has said this, or really even it applies, but dont some of the dams generate power?
Maybe they are gaurding those ones more so than the others that dont.

Just a thought.
 

Ike-110722

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Oh yeah, it has nothing to do with protection of dams. There is a separate Federal agency tasked with that.

see my earlier post: The Department of Interior, Bureau of Reclamation is the agency charged with protecting dams.
 
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