Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

[agallant80]

Have a new boat. Thinking about putting on a closed cooling system. I don't know how expensive the manifolds and risers will be seeing as they have cats in them. Figure if I convert to closed cooling things will last allot longer and I will have less stress during the winter wondering if the block and manifolds are OK.

So two questions.

1. Thoughts on going closed colling?
2. Where can I get a kit for this?

Thanks for the feedback folks.

 

[tpenfield]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

I just installed 2 "full" systems on the twins .. .

Michiganmotorz.com has both SJE and SeaKamp brands and can advise you on the proper kit to buy.

 

[tpenfield]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

Also, I sent you a PM on another subject . . .

 

[agallant80]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

Also, I sent you a PM on another subject . . .

tpenfield has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

Any ways this is what I was trying to send you:
Now that I think of it I agree size does matter, not cost. I'll try to figure out a poll with what type (fishing, water sport, cruiser) and size. Don't know what to do with the info once we have it but would be nice to have a general idea of what our peers have. Perhaps it can help the moderators organize the site.

 

[tpenfield]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

I hate it when that happens . . . :facepalm: I fixed the message thing

 

[Don S]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

Just keep one thing in mind, you have a very new system with catalytic converters, and I doubt if there is more than one or two people on this board even realizes exist, let alone how to redo the cooling system to something else. Ted's (tpenfield) is about his 1996 engines, and cats didn't even exist back then, nor on anything since a year or so ago, and then only in Calif and now starting to show up in other states.

Get with a Mercruiser dealer and find out what is available for your engine, there is nothing out there aftermarket for it just yet, nor is there any information on it.

Do you boat in salt water?

 

[agallant80]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

Yeah those cats scare me. I can't even look them up to see how much they are when they will need replacing.

 

[Don S]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

They are about $800 per side as I recall, and I don't think they are part of the closed cooling system either.

 

[Don S]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

What is your engines serial number?

 

[agallant80]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

Its 2A044802

Thanks for helping. I appreciate it.

 

[Don S]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

I did find out I was wrong about your cats being 800 each, they are 1200 each.
I had access to the dealer site up till a few months ago, and there is just no manuals or any other info on to V8 cats. They may have manuals now, but they didn't then, you can order one here https://mercnet.mercurymarine.com/l...3c9c9f25863e36527c120c5b8.e38KchyKbh4Qbi0Ray0

Have no clue what you will get for your money.

You can also look up part numbers here. https://webapps.brunswick.com/literature/literatureSearch.do

DO NOT loose your serial number. You need it for everything for your engine and drive.
It would be a good idea if you put it in your signature, 2013 Bayliner 255CR doesn't mean much when you have engine and drive questions.
Also, your picture in your signature doesn't show up for me, just a blank square.

 

[Fun Times]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

Yes this sure is possible to accomplish!

Don, you'd be able to find the CC kit in the US Quicksilver product guide parts catalog, the 2010 catalog shows kit part number 879288A39, So the 2012 should show the same i would assume.

879288A39
Front mounted kit. Full closed system which also protects the dry joint exhaust
manifolds from corrosion.
Fits 2008 and newer MCM/MIE V-8 (305, 350 & 377) MPI Emissions Control engines.

Engine Model, MCM 5.0L MPI Bravo (EC)(12)
Year Range, 2008 - 2009 +
Serial # Range, 1A300000 and up
Closed Cooling Kit, 879288A39 (5)(9) MSRP:$2,914.21
Belt Kit, (3)
Seawater Pump Kit, N/A. You have this already.
ECM 879172T04 Now 8M0059354 (4) MSRP:$1,678.57
Hose Kit, 879172A16, MSRP $616.58

(1) No Kit Available
(2) 889432A 1 Belt Kit: Order this belt kit if the engine is in a dual engine boat and you are going to remove the power steering pump and hoses from this engine.
(3) 889433A 1 Belt Kit: Order this belt kit if the engine is in a dual engine boat and you are going to remove the power steering pump and hoses from this engine.
(4) The ECM must be replaced when installing a closed cooling kit on this specific engine application. Due to the many updates throughout the year, the ECM listed may not be the appropriate ECM for your engine serial
number. Please check the latest Electronic
(5) Note the additional required kit(s) listed to complete the installation.
(6) Thru hull water pickup is not included with seawater pump kits. Obtain locally.
(7) 865188T01 Front Lift Bracket: Order this replacement bracket if the engine s/n is 0M600000-0M616622 or if a Bravo engine with an air actuated drain system.
(8) This hose kit required only if engine has 6 in. (152 mm) exhaust risers.
(9) Bravo drive applications require the installation of an additional thru-hull or transom mounted water pickup along with the drive unit water pickups. Order these components separately.
(10) This hose kit required only if engine has in-line transmission and 6 in. (152 mm) exhaust risers.
(11) If engine is equipped with 6 in. risers, also order Hose Kit 32-865998A01
(12) Emission Controlled engine
(13) N/A = Not Applicable.

 

[tazrig]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

Yes this sure is possible to accomplish!

Don, you'd be able to find the CC kit in the US Quicksilver product guide parts catalog, the 2010 catalog shows kit part number 879288A39, So the 2012 should show the same i would assume.

879288A39
Front mounted kit. Full closed system which also protects the dry joint exhaust
manifolds from corrosion.
Fits 2008 and newer MCM/MIE V-8 (305, 350 & 377) MPI Emissions Control engines.

Engine Model, MCM 5.0L MPI Bravo (EC)(12)
Year Range, 2008 - 2009 +
Serial # Range, 1A300000 and up
Closed Cooling Kit, 879288A39 (5)(9) MSRP:$2,914.21
Belt Kit, (3)
Seawater Pump Kit, N/A. You have this already.
ECM 879172T04 Now 8M0059354 (4) MSRP:$1,678.57
Hose Kit, 879172A16, MSRP $616.58

(1) No Kit Available
(2) 889432A 1 Belt Kit: Order this belt kit if the engine is in a dual engine boat and you are going to remove the power steering pump and hoses from this engine.
(3) 889433A 1 Belt Kit: Order this belt kit if the engine is in a dual engine boat and you are going to remove the power steering pump and hoses from this engine.
(4) The ECM must be replaced when installing a closed cooling kit on this specific engine application. Due to the many updates throughout the year, the ECM listed may not be the appropriate ECM for your engine serial
number. Please check the latest Electronic
(5) Note the additional required kit(s) listed to complete the installation.
(6) Thru hull water pickup is not included with seawater pump kits. Obtain locally.
(7) 865188T01 Front Lift Bracket: Order this replacement bracket if the engine s/n is 0M600000-0M616622 or if a Bravo engine with an air actuated drain system.
(8) This hose kit required only if engine has 6 in. (152 mm) exhaust risers.
(9) Bravo drive applications require the installation of an additional thru-hull or transom mounted water pickup along with the drive unit water pickups. Order these components separately.
(10) This hose kit required only if engine has in-line transmission and 6 in. (152 mm) exhaust risers.
(11) If engine is equipped with 6 in. risers, also order Hose Kit 32-865998A01
(12) Emission Controlled engine
(13) N/A = Not Applicable.

RE: #4 replacing the ECM.

Those are huge money. Close to $2k each If I remember. When I was looking into buying Fresh Water Cooling kits from Mercury they offered to "reflash" the ECM for me at no charge. You might want to check with them and see if they will do the same for you.

 

[Fun Times]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

RE: #4 replacing the ECM.

Those are huge money. Close to $2k each If I remember. When I was looking into buying Fresh Water Cooling kits from Mercury they offered to "reflash" the ECM for me at no charge. You might want to check with them and see if they will do the same for you.

I remember that conversation and i almost mentioned it here, Glad you did.

http://forums.iboats.com/non-repair-i-o-inboards/fresh-water-cool-raw-water-cool-588162.html

By the way, did Mercruiser happen to mention to you if the engine hours need to be at 0 or can you run the engine for a few hours? (For swapping them out not a reflash)

 

[tazrig]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

I remember that conversation and i almost mentioned it here, Glad you did.

http://forums.iboats.com/non-repair-i-o-inboards/fresh-water-cool-raw-water-cool-588162.html

By the way, did Mercruiser happen to mention to you if the engine hours need to be at 0 or can you run the engine for a few hours? (For swapping them out not a reflash)

They didn't mention hours specifically just that because they were new motors they would re-flash them for me. The way Mercury tech support explained it to me a re-flash was just completely wiping the ECM of all data and re-programming it with the new program for closed cooling. So whether they re-flashed them for me or just sent me new ones it would be the same. I guess most or all dealers can't re-flash so either way the non fresh water cooled ECM has to go back to Mercury corporate. I think they were so thrilled that I was going to be spending $3k a motor for a system that most others charge $1.2k for they didn't care about hours. :lol:

 

[tpenfield]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

I figured that the Cat converters would be an issue . . . The Mercruiser add-on solution looks pricey ($3K+)

It may be worth touching base with the aftermarket guys (SJE & SeaKamp) to see where they are at with kits for the new engines. :noidea:

Just a few hours on the engines at this point, (right?) . . . salt water :noidea: North Carolina ????

 

[Don S]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

Don, you'd be able to find the CC kit in the US Quicksilver product guide parts catalog, the 2010 catalog shows kit part number 879288A39, So the 2012 should show the same i would assume.

I don't assume things like that, when I do and end up wrong, and someone could spend a lot of money just to find out it won't work.

 

[agallant80]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

Hey I just thought of this. I just sent an email off to the dealer that I bought the boat from asking if they had one of these kits.

 

[tazrig]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

Not quite sure why it has to be this way but if you order your new motor from Merc with the fresh water cooling option already on it my dealer told me it runs a little over $500. If you order it after the fact (exact same thing) it's big bucks depending on the motor application. It's too bad, I think a lot more people would go OEM if it wasn't so price prohibitive.

 

[agallant80]

Re: Closed cooling for Mercruiser 5.0 2013 with cats

Just got a call from the dealer. $2,600 for the kit. The risers/manifolds(one peace) are $540 each.