Chain Saws

muskyone

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for the past 5 years every sat and sun in the winter i walk in the woods with my wild thing i paid 99 bucks for and i abuse it and it runs but i change the plug clean the air cleaner use good oil fresh gas i didnt buy it cause it was cheap when thay hauled my house in thay called and said there was a tree in the way so i stoped at the first place thay sold saws i have a 40 year old pioner in the basement that runs and cuts better then any saw i've ever used but it will shake your brains out
 

Lone Duck

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Newbe4life;
Your quite right I agree, you can interchange some parts . You can take the heavier bearings or cranks from a jonserred and put them in a husky. You can also take a tilitson carb from an old husky and put on a sacsdolmer. So I agree that we disagree .
 

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I screwed up and bought a poulan pro 260 and it runs good I hate the chain adjuster system, the muffler is right below the front handle bar and the bar is to big(18) for the power of the saw. I hope it melts down when I start doing ice storm clean up so I can get a Stihl
 

jimr

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Update
I didnt wait for the poulan to melt down I went yesterday and bought a Stihl MS250http://www.stihlusa.com/chainsaws/MS250.html. When I got home last night I used it for a while and it is so much nicer than any of the saws I have. it was only $319. The guy that sold it to me said if after I used it if I didn't like it he would give me my money back(no worries there) I was going to get a 270 or 290 but for what I do with it he reccommended the 250. If it doesnt snow here today it will be getting a work out I have 3 yards to clean up from the ie storm.
 

chucky112233

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Hello all. I have cut wood all my life as well as burn wood for heat and found stihl to be the best all round saw.. I will admit mine is 20 years old but still works like a dream... I recently wanted a smaller saw and got a good deal on a small 14 inch echo saw..I have a echo weedwacker that has worked perfect for now almost 7 years so i thought i would try this saw..So far it has really impressed me,nice,light,starts easy and much easier to work with for smaller stuff.i hve had it so far two years,cut pretty much every weekend with no issues,lol heck even got the girlfriend cutting wood with it!!!
 

rwise

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Oh! By the way. What's wrong with Oregon chain? :D:D

This I would like to know also!:confused::confused:

And BTW I will keep using my 20+ year old homelite and it partner my 15 year old homelite, I almost have them broke in! The older one starts on the second pull, and the newer one starts on the third pull no mater how cold it is!:p


jimr only 3 yards, I cleaned trees for 2 days just to get out of the hood! Headed to me daughters to do her yard today.

All y'all join me in sending thoughts/prayers for her to get power back today!:)
 

newbie4life

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This I would like to know also!:confused::confused:

And BTW I will keep using my 20+ year old homelite and it partner my 15 year old homelite, I almost have them broke in! The older one starts on the second pull, and the newer one starts on the third pull no mater how cold it is!:p


jimr only 3 yards, I cleaned trees for 2 days just to get out of the hood! Headed to me daughters to do her yard today.

All y'all join me in sending thoughts/prayers for her to get power back today!:)


Oregon's anti-kick back chain is a fine chain for those that don't use their saws much. Have a Carlton, or another logging chain installed, and you won't go back. It draws the chainsaw into the log, without having to push. It makes cutting a few cords of firewood easy and much, much faster.

I'm not saying your homelite is useless.... My dad still has his, and it does have it's place. However, try a REAL ;) chainsaw once, and you'll understand what is being said.
 

jimr

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This I would like to know also!:confused::confused:


jimr only 3 yards, I cleaned trees for 2 days just to get out of the hood! Headed to me daughters to do her yard today.

All y'all join me in sending thoughts/prayers for her to get power back today!:)


I know the further east you go the worse it was. Its alot worse on the east end of town than where I am on the west end. heck they did not even include us in the disaster declaration :confused::confused: guess it goes by population and how much money the electric companies are loosing by the hour.:eek:
 

rwise

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Well Jimr my county was *excluded* also (I am in creek county) both sides of me are included, but I was skippid over. :mad: We had an inch or more of ice on the trees, my daughter just got power back last night. I could go on, but lets just say I know who I am NOT voting for next election!


Carlton chain huh, I'll start looking for one, but I don't push my saw into the cut, I just let it do it's thing, oregon chain and bar on both.
 

gss036

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I feel for you guys with all the ice, been there, done that, here in the pacific northwest north of Seattle. I have a generator so have been lucky. The longest we have ever had to go is something 8 days.

I think Carlton chain is what we call a skip tooth and if your saw is powerful enough, it will just eat up the wood in no time.

I learned my lesso last fall while burning up my Husky. I had several alder logs about 24" or bigger lined up and ran the saw hard for quite a while. I thought I had run out of gas but had lost compression from overheating.
 

Lone Duck

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Oregon's anti kick chain is good for those that have not had much experiance with a chain saw. It propably saved a few folks from some nasty cuts. For the person that is used to a chain saw, it cuts way to slow . However most dealers will swap chains for you when you buy your saw if you ask them. Carlton also puts out a antikick chain. So does sthil. The secret to a proper cutting chain is how it is sharpend. If you are cutting wood off of the beach, your chain will not cut properly for long because of the sand and dirt on the log. Or if your cutting trees that have been in a flood or high tide . Or the log has been dragged through the mud. Many times I have seen people move the saw back and forth across the log trying to make it cut. Of coarse this will not help. It is time to sharpen your chain before it heats up and stretches to much and your at the end of the adjustment. To properly sharpen a chain you check all the cutters and find the most damaged tooth. count the number of strokes it takes to bring it back to shape , and file every tooth the same. Why? you ask? Ever been cutting into a log and your saw always goes off at an angle? well that is why the teeth should always be near the same length so the friction is the same all the way through.No teeth longer on one side than the other. next thing is to check your rakers. Lay your raker file ( a small flat file ) on the top of the chain The raker should be just below the thickness of the top of the tooth. This is done so that the whole tooth is biteing the wood not riding on the raker. Your sawdust should be just under a 1/4" wide and at least a 1/4"long not a fine powder. To keep your chain at max cut you should give each tooth three strokes of the file every 2nd or third gas up. AND KEEP YOUR TIP OUT OF THE GROUND!!! That is the basics of a good chain no matter who makes it.
 

newbie4life

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Oregon's anti kick chain is good for those that have not had much experiance with a chain saw. It propably saved a few folks from some nasty cuts. For the person that is used to a chain saw, it cuts way to slow . However most dealers will swap chains for you when you buy your saw if you ask them. Carlton also puts out a antikick chain. So does sthil. The secret to a proper cutting chain is how it is sharpend. If you are cutting wood off of the beach, your chain will not cut properly for long because of the sand and dirt on the log. Or if your cutting trees that have been in a flood or high tide . Or the log has been dragged through the mud. Many times I have seen people move the saw back and forth across the log trying to make it cut. Of coarse this will not help. It is time to sharpen your chain before it heats up and stretches to much and your at the end of the adjustment. To properly sharpen a chain you check all the cutters and find the most damaged tooth. count the number of strokes it takes to bring it back to shape , and file every tooth the same. Why? you ask? Ever been cutting into a log and your saw always goes off at an angle? well that is why the teeth should always be near the same length so the friction is the same all the way through.No teeth longer on one side than the other. next thing is to check your rakers. Lay your raker file ( a small flat file ) on the top of the chain The raker should be just below the thickness of the top of the tooth. This is done so that the whole tooth is biteing the wood not riding on the raker. Your sawdust should be just under a 1/4" wide and at least a 1/4"long not a fine powder. To keep your chain at max cut you should give each tooth three strokes of the file every 2nd or third gas up. AND KEEP YOUR TIP OUT OF THE GROUND!!! That is the basics of a good chain no matter who makes it.

Some good tips here on keeping a chain sharp.

The Oregon chainsets with the 'anti-kickback' design are used by people that don't use a saw very often. If you're uncomfortable around a saw, then this is the chain to use, to have the least amount of a chance you'll end up in the hospital that night.

The Carlton (I know there are others, Stihl -- my logging buddy uses a different one, but can't think of it right now) is offered in many different types.... you can get a chisel chain, semi-chisel chain, you can even get their new MC series chains that are designed for use in smaller saws (they also have an anti-kickback feature with this chainset). They also have a chipper set that will stay sharp longer when cutting abrasive (dirty, sandy) wood. These chainsets will cut faster, longer.

The differences in these chain companies are night and day. The Carlton's rakers are a lower profile than the oregon, allowing it to make bigger shavings than it's big-box-store counterparts. I feel the steel is harder on these, and that's why they stay sharper longer. The loggers chains are not sold in the home depots, sears, etc. You have to go to a specific chainsaw dealer (typically, although, I get mine from the local hardware store that orders it in for me, and they make it up right there.) in order to get these chainsets.

I like them. I'm not going to tell everyone else they need it, but this is just my experience with it. The chain that comes with the saw is usually an oregon chain -- it's cheaper, and the chances of someone getting hurt on it are definately less. It's a good chain to learn on. However, when it comes time to replace the chain, or when you've gained more experience -- if the price is $15 for an oregon, or $20 for a Carlton... try the Carlton. You won't go back.
 

rndn

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What's anyone's thoughts on John Deere chain saws? Like the model CS56 with a 20" blade?
 

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newbe4life;
Well said. Would you also agree that given that the average person's height is about 5'8" that any saw that is 50 cc or more should consider running a 20 to 22" bar? For one thing they are easier on the back when cutting at ground height. And make short work of the larger storm damaged trees. People should also use a bar that has a roller nose . (less friction & less hp to run chain) I have had some folks come to me with worn out bars & chain complaining that they are only a few working hrs. old. Well I find out that they use motor oil in them. Some times used motor oil. I tell them Don't do it! Chain oil is sticky like syrup and sticks to bar and chain . Motor oil will throw off going round the nose from the centrifugal forces leaving very little on the bottom of the bar where it is needed most.
 

newbie4life

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newbe4life;
Well said. Would you also agree that given that the average person's height is about 5'8" that any saw that is 50 cc or more should consider running a 20 to 22" bar? For one thing they are easier on the back when cutting at ground height. And make short work of the larger storm damaged trees. People should also use a bar that has a roller nose . (less friction & less hp to run chain) I have had some folks come to me with worn out bars & chain complaining that they are only a few working hrs. old. Well I find out that they use motor oil in them. Some times used motor oil. I tell them Don't do it! Chain oil is sticky like syrup and sticks to bar and chain . Motor oil will throw off going round the nose from the centrifugal forces leaving very little on the bottom of the bar where it is needed most.


Yes sir. Very good points here.

I'm 6' 2", and I have a 20" bar. I love it, but would even consider a touch longer like a 22 or 24.

Another thing, with your oil tip: There are two types of bar oil, winter and summer.... both are sticky, but the winter is definately thinner.

Mentioning the roller tip made me think too.... make sure the tip of the bar gets greased. I've seen people complaining that their bar is shot, and the chain doesn't turn.... when they're made aware of the tip grease point, they usually are surprised.
 

newbie4life

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What's anyone's thoughts on John Deere chain saws? Like the model CS56 with a 20" blade?

My only thought on this, is who makes it?

Many of their products are 'joint ventures' as they call them. The John Deere Buck ATV is actually a Bombardier product, with a couple little changes here and there, and their 'John Deere Green' color.

Most of their tractors are actually Yanmars. Yanmar makes Case, New Holland (Ford), and John Deere (at least I know they make the smaller ones... not sure about the 100hp+) Makes you think that the only thing Case, New Holland and John Deere makes is paint. :D

I haven't heard of anything on these one way or the other... My first instinct is they won't put their name on something that's junk. However, usually, you will pay more for it.

But if you like Green, you'll probably like it in your garage.:)
 

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Yup! you can barely pour summer oil when it is -20 or colder. Even at -10 it is a chore to get it in the oil tank. There are 2 schools of thought amongst the pro sawers here in this neck of the woods. 1 is that you must always grease your roller tip. The other claims that if you do not ever grease your tip , it will last longer. They claim that once you grease it , you must grease it often dureing a working day. If you do not , the grease goes to the outside of the bearing by centrifugal force, there it collects the dirt and wears out your bearing. If you use the proper chain oil, that is all that is required. It is thought to be hype to spend more money , speacial grease gun etc; I do not know but I never use grease. But I seldom stick my tip in a log and jam it and have to force it out. Which is a cause for ruined tips.
 

newbie4life

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The other claims that if you do not ever grease your tip , it will last longer. They claim that once you grease it , you must grease it often dureing a working day. If you do not , the grease goes to the outside of the bearing by centrifugal force, there it collects the dirt and wears out your bearing. If you use the proper chain oil, that is all that is required.


Boy, I don't know about this one, Loner. The grease DOES hit the bearing. The bar oil, on the other hand, rides the rim of the bar..... and by centrifugal force, it forced the OPPOSITE of the bearing.

I grease mine ever time I fill up with fuel/bar oil. My tip probably will fail. But, I feel bearings are made to have grease. Even another guy on here has a saying on the bottom.... 'any grease is better than no grease at all.'

Doesn't the bearing get hot?
 
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