Catamarans vs Sailboats

stemar

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Hello,<br />can you please tell me in general what are the diffrences between Catamarans and sailboats. <br />Thanks
 

Spidybot

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Re: Catamarans vs Sailboats

Per definition a catamaran is a multi-hull vessel. Two hulls making up one vessel. Stable by it's width instead of by keel.<br /><br />In the smaller sizes you see HobieCats: Two parallel kayaks connected by alu tubes and a net in between.<br /><br />Trimaran is - yes, you guessed it - Three hulls making up one vessel.
 

Sam15a

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Typically, most catamarans are relatively stable and do not heel much in excess of 5^. Because they are light and do not carry a heavy keel (which also adds wetted surface) they tend to move faster than monohulls having the same LWL (length at the water level). On the minus side, they point lower than monohulls, have a somewhat choppy ride when hit by waves. Their speed is compromized as they are loaded with people and equipment/supplies. While they have a remarkable initial stability, their stability is even higher when in the upside down position. (In other words, if the boat is allowed to capsize,it is not possible to flip it back without a crane or some rather exotic means.) Generally speaking, catamaran will not sink and thus can be said to provide some inherent safety to the crew.) Because they tend to ride fairly high on the water, their windage is significantly higher than for a comparable monohull. In areas where the water is thin (i.e. the caribbeans) the typically small draft is an advantage. This accounts in part for the popularity of this type of vessel there.<br /><br />By contrast, while monohulls are typically less nimble, they can carry much heavier loads without affecting their speed much. Although they heel much more than catamarans, the heeling is an inherent safety factor reducing the chances for capsizing given that the heeling lets the sails spill the wind. But if capsized (as may be caused by waves) the vessel may sink. <br /><br />There are many more significant differences and if you want to be more educated on the subject, you might do a lot worse than reading the book by Chris White (a naval architect specialized in design of catamarans).
 

sloopy

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Cats still sink, if you have a fifty foot cat and tip it over and a fifty foot mono hull and tip it over. BOTH WILL SINK.... unles they are offshore racers or small sailboats that have no hatches. all boats sink.... remember the titanic?<br />also a catarmaran powerboat and a monohull sailboat are different.
 

lorax

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the notion that monohulls outpoint catamarans is a myth. The reason it appears that way is because cats move so much faster than monohulls that the apparent wind shifts forward. To keep from luffing, the cat has to fall off a little. Doesn't matter though because the cat is moving so much faster it still gets upwind faster.<br />There is no contest between multihull and monohull speed. Offshore multihulls have routinely logged 500 mile 24 hour trips.<br />The link below is of a couple of average sailors (I'm on the trap) towing a skier on a blustery day. The boat is a tired out prindle 19 (average retail about $2000 used). The skier weighed about 200lbs and we pulled him up from a water start. I don't know of any 19 foot monohulls that will do that. http://padres.cybercon.com/fischer/photos/ski2.JPG
 

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Also monos tend to roll, whereas cats tend to pitch. depends on what you're more comfortable with. As my father was wont to say," Roll, roll, roll you ***** ... the more you roll, the less you pitch!"
 

BillP

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Come on dude...cats and trihulls MAY point close with an inefficient flat bottomed daggerboard sharpie hull but generally do not foot as high as 99% of most monohulls. It isn't a myth. Apparent wind has nothing to do with it. They get speed from less resistance. Add a big daggerboard for lateral resistance and pinch them up to stay with a monohull and they lose the speed.
 

lorax

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Yes, cats are faster because they have less resistance and more righting moment. The reduced resistance allows the boat to move through the water much easier and the increased stability/righting moment allows them to carry more sail area. These two advantages add up to more forward speed for a given wind velocity. More forward speed equates to more apparent wind shift.<br />Two boats start from a dead stop. The wind is coming in from 45 degrees off the bow. Boat #1 moves forward at 5 knots boat #2 moves forward at 10 knots. Which boat has more apparent wind shift towards the bow?<br />Apparent wind has everything to do with it.<br />If you don't believe my take on it check the portsmouth handicap numbers. Even the older multihulls give up huge time penalties to monohulls.
 

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I used to race MORC (pre SORC days)in monohulls and a Hobie 16 in local regattas. I've done handicap calculations for my own boats. <br /><br />To be picky, the term pointing is highly misused. Footing includes leeway. Pointing only tells bow RELATIVE to wind (apparent or true wind). Boats that foot high go less DISTANCE against the wind and it has nothing to do with boat speed, time in route, apparent wind or handicap ratings. The reason multihulls give up time time to monohulls is because they sail much faster, not because they point or foot higher. <br /><br />Apparent wind is only the measure of wind RELATIVE to a moving boat and is not a measure of how close a boat sails RELATIVE to TRUE WIND...or the rhumb line if beating hard. A rhumb line is the shortest distance between point A & point B. There may be exceptions but 99% of monohulls sail closer (aka point higher with less leeway) to True Wind than multihulls do.
 

lorax

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I didn't say that multis give up time because they point higher. You are correct - they give up time because they are faster. You are also correct in saying that while a boat might "point" high it may give up VMG in the form of side slip or leeway. A cat might slip more than monohull because it has less lateral resistance to side slip but there is no earthly reason why it shouldn't "point" as well.<br /><br />How close a boat sails "points" to TRUE wind is irrelevent. Unless the boat is strapped on to a parked trailer.
 

BillP

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Here's what you said...<br /> "the notion that monohulls outpoint catamarans is a myth." "A cat might slip more than monohull because it has less lateral resistance to side slip but there is no earthly reason why it shouldn't "point" as well."<br /><br />No offense but your explaination of pointing is different from 99.99% of the sailors out there. It is also contrary to every yacht design book on the subject that has been printed for the last 60 years. You evidently need to see it "officially" elsewhere and not on this message board. Pick up any book on the subject if you want to learn what everyone (the pros) else thinks and teaches.<br /><br />Here it is again other terms:<br />The boat course made good relative to true wind is pointing. The closer a sailboat makes course into the wind the higher it points.
 

lorax

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You said:<br />"the term pointing is highly misused. Footing includes leeway. Pointing only tells bow RELATIVE to wind (apparent or true wind). Boats that foot high go less DISTANCE against the wind "<br /><br />Then you said:<br />"The boat course made good relative to true wind is pointing. The closer a sailboat makes course into the wind the higher it points."<br /><br />Who's being contradictory?
 

BillP

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Hey Dude...it is obvious you don't understand me or what has been taught in school about this subject for the last 200 yrs. And there is nothing like a good education to divide truth from fiction and myths. <br /><br />Maybe you should study the American Practical Navigator by Bowditch ...he's the guy who "invented" modern navigation and did the first publications back in 1802. He's the one the US NAVY and US Hydrographic Office endorsed to teach navigation. Bowditch's writings are the "law" for everyone in the world. The terms (and math equations) haven't changed in 200 yrs, except for newer buzz words. <br /><br />Learn the definitions of the following and you will understand exactly what "pointing" is...and what the other items you talk about are too:<br /><br />1.Direction on the earth <br />2.Course<br />3.Course made good<br />4.Course of advance<br />5.Course over ground<br />6.Course line<br />7.Course angle<br />8.Course to steer<br />9.Track<br />10.Great circle track<br />11.Heading<br />12.Bearing<br />13.Bearing angle<br />14.Relative bearing<br />15.Bearing from North<br />16.Leeway<br />17.Leeway angle<br />18.Apparent wind<br />19.True wind<br />20.Relative wind<br />21.Departure point VS Arrival point VS Destination<br /><br />You are painted into a corner and don't even know it.
 

JHOLE

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I got it<br /><br />1. dir on earth - doesn't matter, it's a sphere you always end up back where you started<br />2.course - more of these means it will take longer to eat<br />3.course made good - when they bring the food<br />4.course of advance - paying after you eat<br />5.course over ground - food dropped on floor<br />6.course line - what you say to your date at dinner<br />7.course angle - where food is on the plate<br />8.course to steer - steak<br />9.track - Daytona<br />10.great circle track - Indianapolis<br />11.heading - what could happen if #6 is succesful<br />12.bearing - birth<br />13.bearing angle - how high the hospital bed is adjusted<br />14relative bearing - results in niece or nephew<br />15.bearing from north - results in eskimo<br />16.leeway - the drive way at "Lee's" house<br />17.leeway angle - number of degrees of Lee's driveway to the street<br />18.apparent wind - S.B.Deadly<br />19.true wind - everybody heard it<br />20.relative wind - your brother did it<br />21.departure vs. destination - the theory that you must have actually left somewhere else at some point in the past to be where you are now<br /><br />It only really matters how fast you are going when the beer's gone...it's sailing for chrstsake, have fun.
 

lorax

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thanks for putting it back in perspective Jhole :D
 

Curzon

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JHole, <br />That is the funniest thing I've read for ages :D <br />My gut is aching from laughing so much!!!<br />Nice to have things brought back into perspective. Let's all just love our sailing!
 
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