Canada and Gun Control

[SoulWinner]

Naughtybynature should check out the link below and explain the virtues of Canada's angelic society.<br /><br /> http://www.saskjustice.gov.sk.ca/pdfdocs/FACTSHT.pdf <br /><br />I was playing pool the other day with a Canadian who was down here to open a new branch of his brokerage firm. (yeah....right!) When the topic of conversation turned to guns he was staunchly opposed to private ownership of guns and sang the praises of the UK, Australia, Canada confiscation of firearms. When I pointed out to him that I could stab, strangle or club him to death in the process of robbing him and do it silently whereas a gun makes a loud noise that would at least attract attention that could get help for him and get me caught in the act he had no more to say. It is interesting that without guns around, violent crime is increasing in canada.

 

[GF]

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Soulwinner, yes you could stab,strangle, or club someone to death while you are robbing him, however that means getting in close and personnel with a chance that the tables could turn very quick. Big strong gun owners keep their distance when robbing someone because they are too much of a coward to get in close. Most times they shoot anyway just because they have and want a reason to use the gun. Djohns19 before you start on me I am not bashing your country's gun laws just responding to soulwinners post. <br />One more thing when did canada ever call itself a ANGELIC society? We have our share of bad B@#$ards also. They just straighten up after a good ass kicking.

 

[naughtybynature]

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gf.... you have summed it up pretty well. i myself live in a town where one can wonder the streets alone (male or female) at any time of day or night without fear of being robbed, or shot for that matter. i will not go as far as to call a gun owner a coward, however guns are a symptom of a larger problem with society. having said that, where does it end? americans seem to take the view that if everyone had a gun, they would be safe. ponder this, if everyone did not have a gun, wouldn't we all be safe too? your world is just as "angelic" as mine.<br /><br />i prefer mine.<br /><br />yo moose.. wazzup?

 

[Moose_Miller]

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Naughty - ARM YOURSELF, before it's too late!!! <br /><br />What if there's a Moose roaming the streets of Campbell River, making a weird moaning sound, holding his stomach because he engorged himself with too much turkey and pumpkin pie, babbling in some unknown Nebraskan tongue? Would you still feel safe going to the corner store to pick up a 2 - 4? Happy Thanksgiving friend!<br /><br />PS - Beware of the Bible-toting Floridian wandering the streets of Campbell River!

 

[SlowlySinking]

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To NaughtyByNature, <br /><br />If you think that eliminating ALL gun ownership will make the streets safer consider this; the worst mass murder in America that I know of was done not with a hand gun or AK-47, but with a grudge, a can of gasoline and a match, I refer to the Happy Land Social Club in the Bronx. One man murdered 87 people, and there wasn't one do gooder, anti-gunner, or politician who came out and demanded that we restrict the sale of gas, or require a 3 day waiting period to purchase it, or restrict the sale of matches, or that gas be limited to 2 gallons per can. BUT, let one Columbine incident occur and the do gooders, anti-gunners, and politicians come crawling out of the woodwork demanding more useless and barely enforced anti-gun legislation. The problem isn't the weapon of choice, it's the lax way our criminal justice system deals with criminals that perpetuates the problem, swift and sure punishment helps prevent crime. The NRA has it right, "simply enforce the laws on the books". And never forget that the states with right-to-carry laws have lower crime rates. Australia outlawed and confiscated guns and the crime rate sky-rocketed, seems the criminals kept there guns. The fear of you being armed helps keep the scum away. So, "If you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have guns".

 

[Fishbusters]

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Actually I would be more worried about a guy with a baseball bat or knife than a gun. Most people think that having a gun gives them control of the situation (and up agianst most people it does) even when they are not prepared to use it. If you have a baseball bat or a knife you already must have planned to use it because you lack the "control" the guy with the gun has. If you don't believe it think about it. What you have to do with the bat or knife is use it first then take what you want with the gun you can usually get what you want w/o ever using it. This is not to say many criminals don't go ahead and shoot anyway but chances are they will not prefering not to have the noise to alert others as to thier presence.

 

[naughtybynature]

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good one moose!<br /><br />have you guys seen the latest show to come from nova scotia.. "trailer park boys"? it is on cable tv here and is soooooo funny.<br /><br />anyways, this topic will never be solved on this forum, or in our lifetimes for sure. <br /><br />i must admit to you guys that i did have a powerful firearm once. i was 13 and i built a wicked blow dart gun from a 6 ft piece of copper pipe. it was hooked up to my dad's air compressor with an inline trigger valve. i made little blow darts from sharpened nails wih a plastic cone crazy glued to the end. one pull on the trigger would send a dart clear through a 3/4 inch piece of plywood from 50ft back! almost perfect for moose hunting....<br /><br />hehehe back at ya buddy.<br /><br />happy thanks giving my american friends.

 

[butlp]

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Moose,<br />It's obvious you have never spent any time in Canada or Campbell River! <br /><br />In Canada not only do we have gun control, but we have beer control too! You can't just walk to the corner store for a 2 - 4 you have to go to the Government Beer Store, which is typically only open Government hours.

 

[Hooty]

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I thought our Canadian friends might enjoy this.<br /><br />c/6<br /><br />Hooty> Rules for Living !<br />> <br />> USMC vs Navy Rules for Gunfighting!<br />> <br />> USMC Rules For Gunfighting:<br />> 1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your<br />> friends who have guns.<br />> 2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap.<br />> Life is expensive.<br />> 3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.<br />> 4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast<br />> enough nor using cover correctly.<br />> 5. Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and<br />> diagonal movement are preferred.)<br />> 6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and<br />a<br />> friend with a long gun.<br />> 7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance,<br />or<br />> tactics. They will only remember who lived.<br />> 8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading,<br />and<br />> running.<br />> 9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more<br />> dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.<br />> 9.5 Use a gun that works EVERY TIME. "All skill is in vain when an<br />Angel<br />> pisses in the flintlock of your musket."<br />> 10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should<br />> have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.<br />> 11. Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you<br />lose.<br />> 12. Have a plan.<br />> 13. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.<br />> 14. Use cover or concealment as much as possible.<br />> 15. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.<br />> 16. Don't drop your guard.<br />> 17. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees.<br />> 18. Watch their hands. Hands kill. (In God we trust. Everyone else,<br />> keep your hands where I can see them).<br />> 19. Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.<br />> 20. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.<br />> 21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you<br />> meet.<br />> 22. Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one.<br />> 23. Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong<br />> commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.<br />> 24. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does<br />> not start with a "4."<br />> <br />> Navy Rules to Gunfighting<br />> <br />> 1. Go to Sea<br />> 2. Bring Marines<br />> 3. Drink Coffee<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />>

 

[Bob in Calif.]

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Just remember this:<br />"The Second Amendment, America's Original Homeland Security."<br />....Bob in Calif...

 

[Tacklewasher]

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First off, Canada does not have an angelic society. I would be as comfortable walking alone at night in Vancouver as I would in Seattle. (i.e. no way in hell would I do it). I moved to a smaller town (bigger than Campbell river though) partly because of this but mostly because I hate traffic.<br /><br />Secondly, Canada's gun registration has gone too far and is too expensive for what is gained (very little IMHO). It will be interesting come January, when all guns have to be registered, what happens.<br /><br />Third, I think the US is still too far the other way. There are some guns whose sole use is killing people. I'm thinking of the assault rifles and the like. I have limited problems with handguns (too easy to conceal) and no problem with others but some guns scare the crap out of me. Somewhere there is a happy medium and I don't think either country has found it.<br /><br />Now I don't own a gun and don't hunt. I often wondered if I would enjoy it as I enjoy fishing so much, but for me to try hunting would require courses and licensing etc. that I'm not prepared to do to just try it.

 

[GF]

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To all my american friends I apologise for calling all gun owners cowards, I was refering to robbers who use them against other people.

 

[GF]

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Moose Miller, thanks for your comment about Bible toting flordians wandering the streets of Cambell river. I always wondered where those people went for holidays in the winter.

 

[Moose_Miller]

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Historically, the most dangerous weapon anyone could have in their hand is The Bible. Whether it be the Christian Bible, The Koran, The Torah or basically any religious textbook. More people have been killed in the name of God than anything else. <br /><br />This big Canada/USA gun debate that keeps flaring up like some syphillitic rash, makes me laugh. Comparing the reasons why and why not, is like comparing apples to oranges. I'm against gun control, I own guns. I just don't feel the need to tote one around town. There are violent crimes in Nebraska, just not very often. If I didn't feel safe where I lived (WITHOUT a Uzi in my Fruit of the Looms), I'd find a new place to live. I assume that's that the basis for most of our Canadians' opinions.

<br /><br />LC,<br />I've never been to Campbell river, but I do spend a week in Ontario every few years chasing them big gators. I didn't know about government regulated beer, though. I'm not a heavy drinker, just maybe a LaBatts with dinner and what not. Last thing I'd want to get is a Canadian OMVI!<br /><br />We Americans need not attack the Canadians for their guns views. Respect their stance and opinions all while knowing whose number is on speed dial if they get in a jam with another country.

 

[DJ]

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Moose,<br /><br />Thanks for the insult.

 

[Moose_Miller]

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DJohns, <br />You lost me. Which part was considered by you to be an insult? None of it was meant to be. You have no location on your profile, so I'm not sure which side of the fence the alledged insult was thrown. I have no problem whatsoever with people on either side of the USA's northern border.<br /><br />If it's the part about me disagreeing with people on here attacking other countries because their laws and ideas are diferent than ours... sounds an awful lot like the al-Qaida's basis for their jihad against us. Last time I checked, OUR 2nd amendment didn't say anything about Canadian residents. <br /><br />And as for the "speed dial" comment. We, the United States, bail out all kinds of countries when they're in trouble. Surely you couldn't be taking that as an insult... unless you're a Canuck, and it wasn't meant as an attack on them either. <br /><br />Lighten up friend, or at least elaborate if/when I pen something that may offend you.<br /><br />ps - you're welcome

 

[DJ]

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Mooose,<br /><br />Nope, you completely missed it. I happen to be a: dare I say it a Christian.

 

[Moose_Miller]

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Not an insult at Christianity... not an insult at any religious belief. Do you dispute my claim that "more people have been killed in the name of God than anything else"? Historically it's true. I grouped the Koran in there too - Remember 9/11/01. <br /><br />DJ, I sincerely mean this when I say, I have total respect in your religious beliefs and I'm truly sorry if you mis-took my comments as insulting.

 

[naughtybynature]

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amen brother moose. just keep away from the alter boy, he is packin. and i hear he has a hankerin' for moose steak.<br /><br />i make myself laugh.

 

[DJ]

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Still, respectfully disagree.<br /><br />More people have been killed in the name of religion-not God. Big difference.<br /><br />Religion was created by man, for the control of man, not by God.