Can I use any 2 stroke oil?

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Justinde

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Can I use any 2 stroke oil ( mower etc) or does it NEED to be “ marine” oil?
 

silverbul

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2 stroke oil is 2 stroke oil, use what you want but i bet there will be many people on here that will disagree.
 

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Can I use any 2 stroke oil ( mower etc) or does it NEED to be “ marine” oil?
Two stroke oil is NOT two stroke oil..........Need to use TC-W3 rated 2-cycle oil in your 2-stroke outboard motor.....Weed eaters, chain saws, etc. use non TC-W3 rated oil, as they are air cooled and run at higher temps than your water cooled outboard.....(y)
 

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As topgun3690 says use TC-W3 two stroke oil.
There are other two stroke oils for air cooled two strokers.
TC-W3 (two stroke water cooled) run at cooler temperatures and TC-W3 oil produce less smoke.
Two stroke oils for air cooled engines leave more carbon in the exhaust ports and it maybe build up more carbon at the pistons.
 

Justinde

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Thank you brains trust…. I’ll go buy some marine 2 stroke….

Oils ain’t oils 🙂
 

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The "other" oil is way different than TCW3
The other oil can cause the rings to seize from carbon deposits.
TCW3 doesn't have the ash that causes carbon on the rings
 

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Well 2 stroke lubrication is not well understood.----Remember that the gasoline vaporizes to be burned and produce POWER.-----The oil ( or much of it ) has to condense and coat the internal parts.---Sort of like the water droplets on a cold glass of beer.---So if the internal engine parts are too warm the oil won't coat them.-----The story about oil goes on and on.----So use the best TCW oil and maintain the impeller and cooling system on your outboard
 

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Well 2 stroke lubrication is not well understood.----Remember that the gasoline vaporizes to be burned and produce POWER.-----The oil ( or much of it ) has to condense and coat the internal parts.---Sort of like the water droplets on a cold glass of beer.---So if the internal engine parts are too warm the oil won't coat them.-----The story about oil goes on and on.----So use the best TCW oil and maintain the impeller and cooling system on your outboard
Sure didn't know two stroke got down in your impeller and cooling system. Who knew.
 

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???---No the oil does not get into the cooling system.----Once a motor starts to get a little warmer.-----Like your beer glass and condensation.-----The oil disappears ( flashpoint ) and does not stick around the same.----Then the engine friction builds up and it gets worse.-----Some folks say " failed because it was running lean " and blame the carburetor to a degree.------Some will argue , but on an outboard you need to maintain the cooling system.-----Impeller , poppit valves and thermostats.-----These simple outboards / lubrication / cooling all work together to last a long time.-----But folks invent new ways to destroy these motor with lack of maintenance.
 

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All of the changes to oils, all oils, not just 2 stroke, have been brought about primarily by EPA and insurance companies, either for alleged environmental reasons, or rediculous and unfounded safety reasons such as fire potential of large stocks of product. Almost none of the changes have been made with any effort or concern to increase engine performance or longevity. They have removed zinc from 4 stroke oils, which has led to many severe problems with older piston engines. And they have turned outboard 2 stroke oils into something closer to liquid soap rather than actual oil.
Back in the day, 2 stroke oil was 2 stroke oil. Chainsaw, snowmobile, dirt bike, it was all the same. And well made engines that were maintained and had proper oil/fuel mixes had very long lives. It was not uncommon back in the 1980's, to come across old outboards and chainsaws from the 40's and 50's that had never been apart, by evidence the original paint was on the engine, screws and gaskets, and many still ran perfectly. But reductions in oil mix, first 50:1, and then some recommending 100:1 mixes in those old motors, brought rapid ends to those motors and they dropped like flies. It is interesting that all motor manufactures now limit ratios to 50:1, they all learned their lesson.
Anyway, call me nuts but I run high quality chainsaw oil in all two strokes, outboards included. I also bypass and/or remove oil injection systems and run mixed fuel. When, not if the oil injection system fails, and they all fail, lubrication failure will destroy your motor. I run close to 50:1 (40:1 to just below 50:1) in outboards, but I like closer to 30:1 in my saws. And I do not run synthetics.
Why? Because I am sick and tired of having to read and memorize all the changes coming down the pike every few months of how or which oil they screwed up this time. Chainsaws work harder and run hotter than almost any 2 stroke, and rev higher than almost any other 2 stroke engine short of model airplane engines. If the bearings and rings and cylinder can stay clean and lubricated in one a chainsaw, that oil will work in an outboard. And ive never had a failure in either one when it was mixed right. Unlike most engines, chainsaws are often carted miles and miles into the backwoods, and many are flown in to fight forest fires. The saws, as well as the oils and saw chains, lead a tough life and yet must always perform. Any failures are rapidly seen and heard in the market, and can make or break a competitor in that market almost overnight. Generally, chainsaws dont have oil failures. Well, unless you dont mix any oil into the fuel, or not enough. JUST MY OPINION.
 

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All of the changes to oils, all oils, not just 2 stroke, have been brought about primarily by EPA and insurance companies, either for alleged environmental reasons, or rediculous and unfounded safety reasons such as fire potential of large stocks of product. Almost none of the changes have been made with any effort or concern to increase engine performance or longevity. They have removed zinc from 4 stroke oils, which has led to many severe problems with older piston engines. And they have turned outboard 2 stroke oils into something closer to liquid soap rather than actual oil.
Back in the day, 2 stroke oil was 2 stroke oil. Chainsaw, snowmobile, dirt bike, it was all the same. And well made engines that were maintained and had proper oil/fuel mixes had very long lives. It was not uncommon back in the 1980's, to come across old outboards and chainsaws from the 40's and 50's that had never been apart, by evidence the original paint was on the engine, screws and gaskets, and many still ran perfectly. But reductions in oil mix, first 50:1, and then some recommending 100:1 mixes in those old motors, brought rapid ends to those motors and they dropped like flies. It is interesting that all motor manufactures now limit ratios to 50:1, they all learned their lesson.
Anyway, call me nuts but I run high quality chainsaw oil in all two strokes, outboards included. I also bypass and/or remove oil injection systems and run mixed fuel. When, not if the oil injection system fails, and they all fail, lubrication failure will destroy your motor. I run close to 50:1 (40:1 to just below 50:1) in outboards, but I like closer to 30:1 in my saws. And I do not run synthetics.
Why? Because I am sick and tired of having to read and memorize all the changes coming down the pike every few months of how or which oil they screwed up this time. Chainsaws work harder and run hotter than almost any 2 stroke, and rev higher than almost any other 2 stroke engine short of model airplane engines. If the bearings and rings and cylinder can stay clean and lubricated in one a chainsaw, that oil will work in an outboard. And ive never had a failure in either one when it was mixed right. Unlike most engines, chainsaws are often carted miles and miles into the backwoods, and many are flown in to fight forest fires. The saws, as well as the oils and saw chains, lead a tough life and yet must always perform. Any failures are rapidly seen and heard in the market, and can make or break a competitor in that market almost overnight. Generally, chainsaws dont have oil failures. Well, unless you dont mix any oil into the fuel, or not enough. JUST MY OPINION.
Nice copy/paste job on some random article you found on the internet.....adding the "JUST MY OPINION" at the end was a nice touch though, I have to admit.....the reality is you just can't believe everything you read on the internet. (y)
 

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According to my Pennzoil TCW3 oil container, this two stroke oil has been certified to run in any two cycle engine whether air or water cooled !! Think I will stick with the Pennzoil recomendations like I have been doing since the 60's with not one issue. My jug of oil powers all my two stroke engines and always has.
 

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Sometimes I pick up a Junk V-4 2 stroke motor along with the VRO tank.-----I use that TCW oil in my Lawnboy mower at 20:1 and no issues.
 

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Nice copy/paste job on some random article you found on the internet.....adding the "JUST MY OPINION" at the end was a nice touch though, I have to admit.....the reality is you just can't believe everything you read on the internet. (y)
Point is, It's all what you believe and not what people believe ( like you ). DO YOUR OWN RESEAERCH AND FIND WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU. JUST MY OPINION.
 

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Sometimes I pick up a Junk V-4 2 stroke motor along with the VRO tank.-----I use that TCW oil in my Lawnboy mower at 20:1 and no issues.
Lawn boy oil was TCW. No real surprise they spec’d it since lawn boy was part of OMC.
 

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I use TCW3 in anything I have that is 2 stroke.. air cooled 2 stroke oil has a higher flashpoint, so it would smoke and foul up a cooler running water cooled engine. It likely wouldn’t really do any irreversible harm. But it’s more expensive than TCW3 at the same time.

It is possible to mix 30w motor oil 16:1 and have it run safe. That is how it worked many years ago. But the carb needs tuned for that lean mixture as that’s a lot of oil.
 

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Point is, It's all what you believe and not what people believe ( like you ). DO YOUR OWN RESEAERCH AND FIND WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU. JUST MY OPINION.
You seem to be very combative in alot of your posts and not just in this thread.... Please back it down some, thanks.....
 

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Sorry if i share my opinion, did not know that was was combative, was not my intention, i will NOT stop sharing my opinions, Facts are a very scary thing. DO as you will.
 
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