Can a 2 stroke be used in california??

robgti16v

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I wanted to know if I can sell a brand new 2002 Nissan 40 hp 2 stroke outboard to a customer in california or if it is illegal because its a 2 stroke? Or can you sell just used ones. Please let me know thank you
 

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Re: Can a 2 stroke be used in california??

I'm sure you can sell it to anyone, anywhere you want to. They just can't operate it everywhere.<br /><br />c/6<br /><br />Hooty
 

robgti16v

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Re: Can a 2 stroke be used in california??

I have a customer in California wanting to buy the motor from me. He said that he could buy a used 2 stroke motor and use it but not new im just wondering if he can buy it. Or can i register it then sell it saying its used? Thanks
 

robgti16v

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Re: Can a 2 stroke be used in california??

He said he wants to operate it in the ocean and rivers no lakes if that makes a diffrence
 

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After I read my reply to you I realized I didn't really answer your question.<br />There are some restrictions on some lakes in Calif. concerning 2cyl. engines. Your customer should know what they are and where they apply.<br /><br />c/6<br /><br />Hooty
 

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New 2 stroke outboards can not be shipped to california or sold
 

robgti16v

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Re: Can a 2 stroke be used in california??

New from factory or period? How would anyone know if not from a factory? thanks
 

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I believe they can't be sold for use in California. <br /><br />The buyer may plan to use it in Maine. <br /><br />Since you have already bought the outboard from somewhere else, and you are not a registered agent or distributor of outboards, it is not a new "sale".<br /><br />In all honesty, make sure you inform the buyer of your concerns.
 

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you can not sell a new outboard to california, unles it is used, (ie 2nd owner)
 

robgti16v

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Re: Can a 2 stroke be used in california??

So what are the laws in Cali...?? I still need to know if he can buy it. I bought it from the factory so i now own it. i have not used it so its "new" in a sence. He would be the second owner so is it considered used? Anyone know who i can call to find out thanks
 

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YES YOU CAN SELL IT TO HIM!
 

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Re: Can a 2 stroke be used in california??

Curious, Did the legislature in California legislate the number of strokes or the emission limits? I suspect that a two stroke can be designed and built that will exceed the highest standard for internal combustion engines.
 

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The lake patrol uses 2 strokes on some of those very same restrickted lakes. Time for them to live by their own medicine me thinks.
 

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Re: Can a 2 stroke be used in california??

Rpbgtil6v<br />Yes you can sell to to anyone in California new or used. There are some restrictions. It can not be used on Lake Tahoe and also about 3 small lakes used for city water supply. Lake Tahoe there two issues water clearity down to about 110 feet and MTBE showing up in water. MTBE band from gas stations in Lake Tahoe area but the rest of California has been given another year to get it out of Gas. I pretty sure that lake Tahoe is only lake where 2006 2 stoke outboards are band.<br /> http://www.rbbi.com/desks/regs/ca2439/ca2439.htm <br /> http://www.lvrj.com/lvrj_home/1997/Nov-01-Sat-1997/news/6341176.html
 

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THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:<br /><br /> SECTION 1. The Legislature finds and declares all of the<br />following:<br /> (a) According to the United States Environmental Protection<br />Agency, a conventional two-stroke marine engine discharges<br />approximately 25 percent of its fuel, unburned, during the normal<br />course of operation. As a result, a two-stroke marine engine can<br />emit a significant quantity of toxic constituents of gasoline and oil<br />into the water and air, including, 1,3-butadiene, benzene, toluene,<br />xylene, methyl tertiary butyl ether, and polycyclic aromatic<br />hydrocarbons.<br /> (b) The cumulative discharge of fuel and exhaust from two-stroke<br />marine engines represents one of the state's most significant sources<br />of toxic water pollution and accounts for approximately 30 percent<br />of the total hydrocarbon emissions from nonroad sources.<br /> (c) Unburned gasoline and oil discharged from two-stroke marine<br />engines contain chemicals known to the state to cause cancer or<br />reproductive toxicity, including, 1,3-butadiene, benzene, and<br />toluene. Section 25249.5 of the Health and Safety Code (Proposition<br />65, November 4, 1986, general election) generally prohibits knowingly<br />discharging or releasing chemicals known to cause cancer or<br />reproductive toxicity into water or onto or into land where those<br />chemicals pass or probably will pass into any source of drinking<br />water.<br /> (d) Unburned gasoline and oil discharged from marine engines are<br />petroleum products. Section 5650 of the Fish and Game Code generally<br />prohibits depositing in, permitting to pass into, or placing where<br />it can pass into the waters of this state any petroleum.<br /> (e) Significant levels of fuel pollution from the operation of<br />marine engines should be considered the same as equivalent levels of<br />pollution from other sources with respect to the enforcement of<br />public health and environmental protection laws and regulations.<br /> (f) Due to the state's reliance on lakes and reservoirs for<br />drinking water storage and the relatively high levels of recreational<br />boating on those lakes and reservoirs, the discharge of fuel from<br />two-stroke marine engines poses a particular threat to the quality of<br />drinking water supplies.<br /> (g) Commercially available marine engine technologies have<br />achieved a decrease in hydrocarbon emissions of as much as 99 percent<br />compared to conventional two-stroke engines, with a corresponding<br />decrease in both fuel cost and consumption, as well as a significant<br />reduction in the threat to drinking water supplies and the marine<br />environment.<br /> (h) In order to ensure the continued compatibility of drinking<br />water with motorized boating and other recreational uses, it shall be<br />the policy of the state to encourage the development and use of the<br />cleanest available marine engine technologies on lakes and reservoirs<br />that serve as domestic water supplies. <br /> SEC. 2. Section 115825 of the Health and Safety Code is amended to<br />read:<br /> 115825. (a) It is hereby declared to be the policy of this state<br />that multiple use should be made of all public water within the<br />state, to the extent that multiple use is consistent with public<br />health and public safety.<br /> (b) Commencing June 1, 2004, recreational uses shall not, with<br />respect to a lake or reservoir that is part of a public drinking<br />water system or that has a designated beneficial use as a municipal<br />water supply in the applicable water quality control plan adopted<br />pursuant to Division 7 (commencing with Section 13000) of the Water<br />Code, include the operation of watercraft propelled by a two-stroke<br />engine that discharges unburned fuel or oil as a function of its<br />design, except with regard to the following:<br /> (1) The operation of watercraft propelled by a two-stroke engine<br />with a power rating of 10 horsepower or less.<br /> (2) The operation of watercraft propelled by a two-stroke engine<br />for any search, rescue, lifesaving, or other emergency response<br />activity conducted by a public agency or authorized private entity<br />when no appropriate watercraft that complies with this subdivision is<br />readily available.<br /> (c) Except as provided in Sections 115840 and 115841, recreational<br />uses shall not, with respect to a reservoir in which water is stored<br />for domestic use, include recreation in which there is bodily<br />contact with the water by any participant.<br /> SEC. 3. <br /> SEC. 2. Section 654.3 is added to the Harbors and Navigation<br />Code, to read:<br /> 654.3. On and after January 1, 1999, <br />2002, no person shall sell or offer for sale at retail in this<br />state any new two-stroke marine engine that discharges<br />unburned fuel or oil as a function of its design.<br />
 

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Re: Can a 2 stroke be used in california??

So....it looks like:<br /><br />1. California encourages using the cleanest available marine engines on lakes and reservoirs that supply drinking water.<br /><br />2. Starting June 1, 2004 no outboard that discharges unburned fuel or oil as a function of its design is allowed. I read this as traditional 2-strokes, however, some direct injection 2-strokes (and some 4-strokes) do discharge unburned oil and gas. It's called fuel scavaging and is an inherent design of any engine. Outboards less than 10 hp and search/rescue/enforcement are excluded.<br /><br />3. An outboard retail seller can't sell a conventional 2-stroke. I take this to mean only a dealer or distributor.
 

robgti16v

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Re: Can a 2 stroke be used in california??

so about all this mumbo jumbo... CAN I SELL it <br /><br />It is a 2002 nissan 40 hp. It was recently on e bay.
 
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