California Clemency

[RubberFrog]

Re: California Clemency

Yeah, it's really one big metropolitan area from southern OC going north to Santa Barbara and East to the Inland Empire.

 

[rolmops]

Re: California Clemency

I do not know about California's penal system.And I do not know whether mentally retarded people are conned into admitting things they did not do and in the end hang for it.This is known to have happened in other states.<br />The death penalty is about justice,but I should hope about punishment as well.I would like to see drunken drivers who kill people, hang from a tree.<br />The other side of the picture is that we can take life,but we cannot give it back.So let us not be in a hurry to take that which we cannot give back.<br />Arnold probably did not think about having to make a life or death decision when he became governor.Whatever he decides,I would hate to be in his shoes at this point.I wish him strength and wisdom.

 

[QC]

Re: California Clemency

BTW, we live in Chino Hills now, home of the Kevin Cooper murders.

 

[PW2]

Re: California Clemency

The object of the penal system in these capital cases is to protect the public at large from these folks ever harming anyone else. The goal should not be extracting revenge.<br /><br />I guess I am troubled by the government taking it upon themselves to decide who lives and who dies, and why. And I doubt it can be ever administered in a fair, unbiased fashion.<br /><br />And I seriously doubt it is a whole lot cheaper, at least the way we currently do it, to put someone to death.<br /><br />It just smacks to me a bit primitive and barbaric, and without achieving any significant objective.

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: California Clemency

Maybe we could do an intervention for the killers. Would you like that? Get them some flowers and chocolates?

 

[Ron G]

Re: California Clemency

This is whats wrong with this country now,he was convicted and sentence to death,he should have been excuted 25 years ago,i think if your sentenced you got a year and then fry.

 

[QC]

Re: California Clemency

Frog,<br /><br />Only to yell at Mike Farrel . . .

 

[Limited-Time]

Re: California Clemency

Originally posted by PW2:<br /> The object of the penal system in these capital cases is to protect the public at large from these folks ever harming anyone else. The goal should not be extracting revenge.<br /><br />I guess I am troubled by the government to decide who lives and who dies, and why. And I doubt it can be ever administered in a fair, unbiased fashion.<br /><br />And I seriously doubt it is a whole lot cheaper, at least the way we currently do it, to put someone to death.<br /><br />It just smacks to me a bit primitive and barbaric, and without achieving any significant objective.

Peddle that "Goal" to some one who’s loved one was MURDERED by the convicted felon.<br /><br />The government is not "taking it upon themselves". When the convicted took it upon themselves to MURDER another human being, THAY in fact determined their own eventual fate. NOT the government. <br /><br />As far as the cost issue 1, 5, 10, 20 years on death row has to cost more than an execution and burial. <br /><br />As for being "primitive and barbaric" maybe so but until a better resolution is available, it must do. As for "achieving any significant objective" Seems to me insuring a safer society without burdening the taxpayers with a life sentence of free care for a convicted murderer seems to me a “significant objective". <br /><br />We do not see eye to eye on this issue. I myself resent the fact my tax dollars are spent supporting this type of human being.

 

[QC]

Re: California Clemency

Originally posted by Limited-Time:<br /> As for being "primitive and barbaric" maybe so

I disagree. Just and civilized. That's why we SHOULD do it.

 

[BoatBuoy]

Re: California Clemency

Originally posted by Fly Rod:<br /> FRY!!! FRY!!! FRY!!! FRY!!! FRY!!! FRY!!!<br /><br /> HIM!!! HIM!!! HIM!!! HIM!!! HIM!!! HIM!!! <br /><br /><br />MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!

Reminds me of a song I heard one time.<br /><br />"And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy.""

 

[Limited-Time]

Re: California Clemency

Originally posted by Quietcat22:<br />

Originally posted by Limited-Time:<br /> As for being "primitive and barbaric" maybe so

I disagree. Just and civilized. That's why we SHOULD do it.

QC22,<br />I'm in no way saying it should not be done, the entire statment read: <br />"As for being "primitive and barbaric" maybe so but until a better resolution is available, it must do ."

 

[JB]

Re: California Clemency

I share others' concerns that we, our society, should NEVER execute an innocent person. Therefore I grudgingly support the appeals system, but I hate that it takes so loooooong.<br /><br />Maybe a requirement for "zero doubt" to condemn to death would make it easier and quicker.

 

[QC]

Re: California Clemency

LT,<br /><br />I was just making a clarification on my position. No slam on you dude. I just didn't agree with the "maybe". More of a note to PW than you . . .

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: California Clemency

It seems everybody is feeling a little verklempt.

 

[mrbscott19]

Re: California Clemency

When I first heard about this, I thought life in prison would be acceptable if the people he killed were gang affiliated. Because if he didn't kill them, they would try to kill him. Thats the law of the street. But when I found out who he murdered and the reason(or lack of) behind it, there was no doubt in my mind. This man deserves what he gets....unless it's clemency.

 

[txswinner]

Re: California Clemency

Finding the Lord, changing ones attitude and doing some good are all great things and for that I leave the final decision to God.<br /><br />You murder intentionally, YOU have decided your fate on earth, the jury grants your decision. The clemency is not about guilt or innocence, it is about is he good now. I disagree, if it is not about whether he committed the crime then no need for hearing.

 

[kenimpzoom]

Re: California Clemency

He should definately Fry.<br /><br />Sorry to hear about your loss Rubber Frog.<br /><br />I agree with JB, capital punishment only for "zero doubt" cases.<br /><br />I dont like the idea od frying innocent.<br /><br />To be perfectly honest, if it would shut these stupid people up, I'd be happy with life in jail with no possibility of parole.<br /><br />Criminals getting the limelight just urk me.<br /><br />Ken

 

[cpj]

Re: California Clemency

I say fry em. Although, if I had the choice to spend life in jail or to fry, I would choose to fry.I would go nuts if I had to spend all that time locked up.If they get fried, there is 0 chance of them commmiting another crime.And as stupid as it sounds, I think that it actually costs more to fry em then to leep them in jail for life.It makes no sense, but it has to do with how much the never ending appeals proccess costs.Of course if you do it the right way, it doesnt cost anymore than a piece of rope.

 

[MudIsFun]

Re: California Clemency

My thoughts on this matter seem to run counter to the majority on this site; but I am looking at the picture more in the abstract not just on this one persons case.<br /><br />In California it costs the tax payers over $1 million to have a capital punishment trial. If the jury convicts the defendant at trial then they are dismissed and another jury is seated to determine if the convicted should receive a death sentance or life. If the new jury comes back with the death penalty then the state automatically files an appeal on the convicts behalf. <br /><br />At this point the original attorney is usually dismissed and a court appointed attorney (not the PD but a real lawyer who agrees to work these cases and receives special compensation) is assigned to the case. 10-25 years and $2-3 million later we can finally have the sentance carried out.<br /><br />Change this to a life w/o possibility of parole case. $500K trial and no special appointed attorneys. After appeals (state level only, hard to prove the need for federal involvement) are exhausted the covict serves his time. He or she never gets out but costs the tax payers several million less even if he/she lives to be 80.<br /><br />Do I think Stan should get clemency? Not really. He has already cost us all; lives, time, money etc. He has already ran the road and deserves what he gets but for future cases I do not see the need for the death penalty. It makes no economic sense especially in a state which is already money challenged.<br /><br />Kevin

 

[Ron G]

Re: California Clemency

Thats why you give them a year to apeal and find evidvence of not being quilty then fry them.in this case was quilty killed innocent people and even laughed about a man dying in front of him,there was no question he was guilty.If all people convicted like this is guilty without a doubt and are totally proved they should excute them right away and even broadcast it on tv,that would drop alot of the crimerate over night.