Buying a boat without the problems

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Hello everyone,
Let me introduce myself here to this forum. My name id Tom and I go by my user name of Pathfinder450. Reason being, I?m wanting to set a path out to the different parts of the USA and Canada too. As it stands for now I will be driving a 2011 Ford F-450, dually fx4x4 with a Chalet TS-116 truck camper. I also would like to buy a used boat that is in good condition.

When I was a kid my Uncle use to take me on his boat so that I could go fishing. I was bitten so to speak on fishing and being on a boat. I knew from that point that when I grew up that I too would get a boat. Well that came true when I was in my 20?s (many years ago) I decided that I was going to find a boat and make it my own. Back then as it is now, I didn?t know much about boats. I was relying on the sellers honesty. He certainly was friendly and told me all the good things about having a boat. I bought that boat and trailered it home. Shortly after that I discovered that the whole back end of the boat was dry rot! Covered up with Bondo and paint. I had it on water and it leaked real bad. I came home from what was supposed to be a positive first boating and fishing experience that should have been a cherished memory. It turned out to be a bad memory that stuck with me ever since.

I called the guy again and talk about a Jekyll & Hyde. He was no longer friendly and now argumentative. I lost on that one and unfortunately it put a bad taste in my mouth when it came to me thinking of getting a boat. I found myself turning away from buying a boat and turned myself to my work rather than play. Now that I?m retired I want to go and see the country, US and Canada and do some camping and fishing. I may take up hunting again. Although hunting to me isn?t the same here in Florida as it was in Michigan. I lived for a short time in Wyoming and I loved the fishing there. When I did go fishing it wasn?t to any lake but to a good fishing hole.


I'm so clearly cautious when it comes to buying a boat now! I?m hopeful that I can ask for advice from all of you here. I also have a friend who knows a lot about boats. I would feel more comfortable in learning about the different types of boats and to have some kind of basic information on the pros and the cons of the many different models, and the makes. I was going to buy an older Bayliner and was told that ?they are a middle of the road type of boat very light in the water. They do not have the fiberglass in them that sea rays Christ crafts well crafts have. That being said another thing to look for is soft spots in the floor especially in the area under the seats (where water has a chance to lay). Bayliners are noted for poor floor construction. Make sure that the steering cables are in good shape and that they turn the motor with ease. The Mercury force motor are at the bottom end of the mercury line. Make sure that the motor does not have a miss in it . These power heads are pretty expensive.? So I passed up on that boat and now I?m trying to take a crash course about boats. I plan on waiting till fall and try to get a boat at a cheaper price rather than getting one now at inflated prices.

I hope that belonging to this boating forum that I can learn a bit or two about boats and buying one that isn?t full of dry rot (no more wood boats for me) or find out that there is a crack in the fiberglass causing a leak.

I do have to tell you, at this point of looking at this website and trying to understand all about boats, I?m Lost! I need all the help I can get. Now I understand about the model and makes of cars and trucks. When it comes to Boats I?m like below a newbie if you can believe that. My first question is what are the differences between an outboard motor and a inboard motors? I don?t think that I need a super big size boat like a cabin cruiser but something with a little style to it. Thanks in advance for any help that you can give to me as it is greatly appreciated.

Respectfully,
Pathfinder450 ~ Tom
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boaterinsd

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Re: Buying a boat without the problems

Hi Tom, Let me be the first to welcome you to iBoats. Best of luck to you in your boating in the future.
the difference in a outboard and an inboard in the motor. An inboard is inside the hull of the boat and the drive goes out thru the transom. As the outboard is all outside and is bolted or clamped onto the transom.
 
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JoLin

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Re: Buying a boat without the problems

Hi, Pathfinder. You've come to a great place for advice, so help us to help you.

1. Fill out your profile. Where do you live?
2. Where will you boat? Fresh water or salt? Small lake, big lake, the Great Lakes, reservoir, river, bay, ocean?
3. How many passengers and what are their ages?
4. How do you want to use the boat? Fish, ski, wakeboard, cruise, other?
5. Day trips, overnights, weekends... or are you planning to run 'The Great Loop' or make transatlantic voyages? :)

6. What's your budget?

An outboard motor is mounted entirely outside the boat- clamped or bolted to the transom.

An inboard boat's motor is entirely inside the boat with a drive shaft that exits through the bottom of the hull. A prop is mounted to the end of the shaft.

An inboard-outboard (or I/O) boat has an engine mounted inside the boat (like an inboard), with the drive unit bolted to the transom (like an outboard)

(we all love to spend other people's money, so help us out :) )
 

Home Cookin'

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Re: Buying a boat without the problems

Jolin is right; saying "What boat should I buy" is like saying "what building should I buy?" The word "boat" can mean anything, even on a boating forum.

If you are looking to buy something to take along with you behind (or on top) of your truck and camper, I'd say get a light aluminum or glass 12-14' and a 9.9 hp motor. With that you will be legal on most lakes, can explore the waters you visit, and if you are in an area that requires something bigger, charter it. It will save you money in the long run, and be a lot easier as you travel.
 
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Re: Buying a boat without the problems

Hi Tom, Let me be the first to welcome you to iBoats. Best of luck to you in your boating in the future.
the difference in a outboard and an inboard in the motor. An inboard is inside the hull of the boat and the drive goes out thru the transom. As the outboard is all outside and is bolted or clamped onto the transom.

Hello boaterinsd,
Thanks for the welcome and the answer to my question. I think that when I do get a boat it will be an outboard power motor. Still figuring out all the different types of boats now.
Thanks again,
Pathfinder450
 
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Re: Buying a boat without the problems

Hi, Pathfinder. You've come to a great place for advice, so help us to help you.

1. Fill out your profile. Where do you live?
2. Where will you boat? Fresh water or salt? Small lake, big lake, the Great Lakes, reservoir, river, bay, ocean?
3. How many passengers and what are their ages?
4. How do you want to use the boat? Fish, ski, wakeboard, cruise, other?
5. Day trips, overnights, weekends... or are you planning to run 'The Great Loop' or make transatlantic voyages? :)

6. What's your budget?

An outboard motor is mounted entirely outside the boat- clamped or bolted to the transom.

An inboard boat's motor is entirely inside the boat with a drive shaft that exits through the bottom of the hull. A prop is mounted to the end of the shaft.

An inboard-outboard (or I/O) boat has an engine mounted inside the boat (like an inboard), with the drive unit bolted to the transom (like an outboard)

(we all love to spend other people's money, so help us out :) )

Hello JoLin,
Thanks for your offer to help me. So sorry that when I registered I didn't fill out the profile information. I a care giver to my 88 year old Mother and she needs my attention for the majority of the day and night. It?s good that I do get some help from Hospice. I will try to complete the profile information a little bit later.
Then I will get back to your post and others after your post later when finished.
Thanks for the welcome.
Pathfinder450
 
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Re: Buying a boat without the problems

Hi, Pathfinder. You've come to a great place for advice, so help us to help you.

1. Fill out your profile. Where do you live?
2. Where will you boat? Fresh water or salt? Small lake, big lake, the Great Lakes, reservoir, river, bay, ocean?
3. How many passengers and what are their ages?
4. How do you want to use the boat? Fish, ski, wakeboard, cruise, other?
5. Day trips, overnights, weekends... or are you planning to run 'The Great Loop' or make transatlantic voyages? :)

6. What's your budget?

An outboard motor is mounted entirely outside the boat- clamped or bolted to the transom.

An inboard boat's motor is entirely inside the boat with a drive shaft that exits through the bottom of the hull. A prop is mounted to the end of the shaft.

An inboard-outboard (or I/O) boat has an engine mounted inside the boat (like an inboard), with the drive unit bolted to the transom (like an outboard)

(we all love to spend other people's money, so help us out :) )

Hello


1. Profile filled out. I live in Lecanto Florida.
2. I will boat in both fresh and salt water. Where ever I decide to go big and small.
3. One to four adult passengers.
4. I want to use the boat for fishing, cruising.
5. Day trips, overnights, weekends no transatlantic voyages.

6. What's your budget? Not planning on getting a boat till I know more about them and in the fall when the prices aren't inflated.

Outboard motor and Inboard motor question has been answered, thank you.

Pathfinder450 :D
 
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Re: Buying a boat without the problems

Jolin is right; saying "What boat should I buy" is like saying "what building should I buy?" The word "boat" can mean anything, even on a boating forum.

If you are looking to buy something to take along with you behind (or on top) of your truck and camper, I'd say get a light aluminum or glass 12-14' and a 9.9 hp motor. With that you will be legal on most lakes, can explore the waters you visit, and if you are in an area that requires something bigger, charter it. It will save you money in the long run, and be a lot easier as you travel.
Hello Home Cookin',
I never asked "What boat should I buy". I asked about the different types of boats so I could figure out and understand the type of boat I wanted. I plan on having a boat on a trailer behind my truck and slide in truck camper.
 

haley

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Re: Buying a boat without the problems

Pathfinder,

Welcome.

The physical difference between outboard (OB), inboard (IB) and inboard/outboard (IO) has been covered but you will want to know a bit more about advantages / disadvantages of each as you search for the right boat. In my experience, this is what I found.

Horsepower (HP) to weight ration is important. I found that in the size boats I was looking for OB's of a certain HP are less heavy than the same HP in an I/O. Less weight means less power needed to push it through the water. So theoretically an OB may not need as much HP to provide the same performance.

An I/O seems to me to be two systems - the stern drive and the motor. I was intimidated by some of the repair bills friends were sharing. OB repair/maintenance bills seemed to be smaller.

Winterizing an OB is simpler than I/O.

Inboard is the best choice for tow sports, if you are real serious about that.

OB's and I/O's can be tilted up for shallow waters. This is attractive for fishing.

I have not seen an I/O under 100HP. I see small inboards, but these are for "displacement" hulls rather than "planing" hulls.

With what you want to do with it I would look at some of the pontoons - but your over nighting options would be limited. In my search I found out that any boat is a compromise. I want it to do so many things that it can not do all of them perfectly. I am a data geek so I actually drew up a "report card" where I would "grade" prospective boats in different things.

I think you are off to a great start. Doing your homework before diving in is a great idea.

Good luck!
 

04fxdwgi

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Re: Buying a boat without the problems

" Buying a boat without the problems ".. Is that possible?
 

Home Cookin'

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Hello Home Cookin',
I never asked "What boat should I buy". I asked about the different types of boats so I could figure out and understand the type of boat I wanted. I plan on having a boat on a trailer behind my truck and slide in truck camper.

You can read a book that explains the many different types of boats. That would be easier on you and the posters here than throwing out questions and answers piecemeal. This forum is more useful to get the benefit of the experiences of those with boats similar to the one you are interested in, and for the type of use you plan.

Your long narrative about your plans suggested to me that you want advice about something to take along on an extended long range driving trip in a camper truck. That is not the same boat you might buy to keep at the house, or on a trailer with a <10 mile drive to launch. Driving from Florida to Canada with a pontoon boat would be absurd, but it might be a good option for "cruising with 4 adults" and "overnights/weekends." It would not be good for hunting and not very good for fishing. The 14' jon would be good for hunting and not for cruising, but would trailer like a dream all over the continent.

So here's the point: there is no universal boat. Some boats have very limited use, and even a general use boat has limitations. Whether you trailer or moor can be a huge factor. This is why I recommend a small one for travel and occassionally renting a bigger one as needed, based on the assumption that you are spending most of your time driving. That was the point of your post, it seems.

There is, however, one universal aspect about boats: they all have problems.
 

jondavies

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I'd start off looking at Craigslist to get an idea of what's out there in your area, what the prices are like and see examples of different types of boats. I think it's a great idea to wait until fall but you can do some "window shopping" in the meantime. When you see something interesting, or have a question, you can post here and get some feedback on whether it's a good/bad boat and whether the price is realistic.

Remember, it's just market research not serious shopping at this point. No impulse buys, though you'll be tempted ;)

Meanwhile, think really hard about what your priorities are. For example, do you really want to overnight in the boat? A boat with a cabin is in an entirely different class than a day cruising boat, and will be bigger overall and more expensive but you'll probably have less deck space (all other things being equal). All this is more so for a boat that can sleep four adults. Some love sleeping on a boat but others say that it is uncomfortable because the cabins can be cramped, humid and the boat rocks during the night. As a result, cuddy cabins often become glorified storage closets. Would you find it more practical to have a boat with more usable deck space and return to your camper every evening or beach the boat and pitch a tent?

Once you have your priorities organized post them here and ask people for their thoughts and recommendations.

You say you have a friend who knows about boats. Can you talk to him (and his friends) about how they use their boats, what their likes/dislikes are?

Once you have more information, you'll be able to ask more specific questions and I think you'll find the feedback much more useful.

Good luck with the search -- remember the hunt for the right boat can be fun in it's own right! When the time is right, if you know exactly what you're looking for and what to avoid and have cash in hand, you can get some great deals on Craigslist.
 

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Sounds as if you're wanting a boat that does everything--fishing, cruising, spending overnight, high quality hull and dependable. You're wanting a boat that works on any kind of water--all over this continent RV'ing.

Your F450 SuperDuty is capable of pulling one heck of a boat, however a slide in camper is already a load. Towing a 8000 pound Sea Ray cuddy cabin boat (with trailer) would be a great hassle behind your truck--especially if you're having to back a trailer into a boat ramp with a camper in the bed.

I would suggest you consider a 20' pontoon boat with a 90 hp 4 stroke outboard. They're not too heavy, reliable, and fuel usage is reasonable. They can take the waves most inland lakes will put out--other than waters like Lake Erie. Late model used pontoons are on the retail market everywhere.

Good luck in your retirement and your travels.
 
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Re: Buying a boat without the problems

Pathfinder,

Welcome.

The physical difference between outboard (OB), inboard (IB) and inboard/outboard (IO) has been covered but you will want to know a bit more about advantages / disadvantages of each as you search for the right boat. In my experience, this is what I found.

Horsepower (HP) to weight ration is important. I found that in the size boats I was looking for OB's of a certain HP are less heavy than the same HP in an I/O. Less weight means less power needed to push it through the water. So theoretically an OB may not need as much HP to provide the same performance.

An I/O seems to me to be two systems - the stern drive and the motor. I was intimidated by some of the repair bills friends were sharing. OB repair/maintenance bills seemed to be smaller.

Winterizing an OB is simpler than I/O.

Inboard is the best choice for tow sports, if you are real serious about that.

OB's and I/O's can be tilted up for shallow waters. This is attractive for fishing.

I have not seen an I/O under 100HP. I see small inboards, but these are for "displacement" hulls rather than "planing" hulls.

With what you want to do with it I would look at some of the pontoons - but your over nighting options would be limited. In my search I found out that any boat is a compromise. I want it to do so many things that it can not do all of them perfectly. I am a data geek so I actually drew up a "report card" where I would "grade" prospective boats in different things.

I think you are off to a great start. Doing your homework before diving in is a great idea.

Good luck!

Hello Haley,
Thank you for the welcome and the more information in regards to the motor. When I do get my boat it will be an outboard motor with tilt up or down motor. I also want to thank you for the complement of doing my homework before I actually get my first boat.
Hope to chat with you again.
Pathfinder450
 
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Re: Buying a boat without the problems

" Buying a boat without the problems ".. Is that possible?

04fxdwgi,
Buying a boat without the problems? Maybe not all the problems however getting one without being taken won't happen to me again. If that means that I ask questions and have the boat checked out from a shop then thats what I will do.
 
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Re: Buying a boat without the problems

I'd start off looking at Craigslist to get an idea of what's out there in your area, what the prices are like and see examples of different types of boats. I think it's a great idea to wait until fall but you can do some "window shopping" in the meantime. When you see something interesting, or have a question, you can post here and get some feedback on whether it's a good/bad boat and whether the price is realistic.

Remember, it's just market research not serious shopping at this point. No impulse buys, though you'll be tempted ;)

Meanwhile, think really hard about what your priorities are. For example, do you really want to overnight in the boat? A boat with a cabin is in an entirely different class than a day cruising boat, and will be bigger overall and more expensive but you'll probably have less deck space (all other things being equal). All this is more so for a boat that can sleep four adults. Some love sleeping on a boat but others say that it is uncomfortable because the cabins can be cramped, humid and the boat rocks during the night. As a result, cuddy cabins often become glorified storage closets. Would you find it more practical to have a boat with more usable deck space and return to your camper every evening or beach the boat and pitch a tent?

Once you have your priorities organized post them here and ask people for their thoughts and recommendations.

You say you have a friend who knows about boats. Can you talk to him (and his friends) about how they use their boats, what their likes/dislikes are?

Once you have more information, you'll be able to ask more specific questions and I think you'll find the feedback much more useful.

Good luck with the search -- remember the hunt for the right boat can be fun in it's own right! When the time is right, if you know exactly what you're looking for and what to avoid and have cash in hand, you can get some great deals on Craigslist.

Hello jondavies,
Thanks for the advise about looking at Craig's List. I also found this site for used boats that gives me a listing of the kinds of boats with images to see what I would like. Like you said, " No impulse buys", just doing my homework now.
Thanks,
Pathfinder450
 

ezmobee

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Re: Buying a boat without the problems

An aluminum hull with an outboard is the least chance for possible financial disaster in my opinion.
 
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One of the first things to consider is if you will be launching and retrieving the boat by yourself. The bigger (heavier) the boat, the harder it is to do alone. Dropping a 14' tinny / canoe in the water is easy, that is not true for a 22' or larger cruiser. Also consider that many smaller lakes, rivers, etc. do not have very good boat ramps. Again easy to use if the boat is small but nearly impossilbe with a large boat. In the mid-west its not unusual for the "boat ramp" to be rock instead of concrete in the small lakes / streams.

Just food for thought...

Thank you Bubba1235 for the good information. I will remember your info in doing my research! Very good Food for Thought!
Pathfinder450
 

reddogg

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Re: Buying a boat without the problems

Hiya Pathfinder, welcome to the forum. Allot of good info has already been posted here so not much more I can add but one thing did occur to me. With your plans to travel with your truck and slide in camper, have you considerd the added fuel cost of also towing a boat all over the place? I dunno how your set for cash but I know it would be an issue for me:) Logic says a smaller boat will cost less to tow than a larger one. Like was said in above posts no one boat really does it all so your going to have to compromise with your choice. Thinking about what you've said you want to do a 16' outboard bow rider comes to mind as maybe working for you. They have some room to them though not big, would tow well over distance, good power but not a giant motor, decent fuel economy, and they are fun boats. The downside would be that they aren't good for overnighting on. Whatever you do, take the time to fully consider all your options and choose the boat that best meets your needs.

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Sounds as if you're wanting a boat that does everything--fishing, cruising, spending overnight, high quality hull and dependable. You're wanting a boat that works on any kind of water--all over this continent RV'ing.

Your F450 SuperDuty is capable of pulling one heck of a boat, however a slide in camper is already a load. Towing a 8000 pound Sea Ray cuddy cabin boat (with trailer) would be a great hassle behind your truck--especially if you're having to back a trailer into a boat ramp with a camper in the bed.

I would suggest you consider a 20' pontoon boat with a 90 hp 4 stroke outboard. They're not too heavy, reliable, and fuel usage is reasonable. They can take the waves most inland lakes will put out--other than waters like Lake Erie. Late model used pontoons are on the retail market everywhere.

Good luck in your retirement and your travels.

Thanks Bamaman1, I guess that I do want a lot of those things you mention. Geez I would like to have the whole boat yard! ;) However from those wants I am narrowing it down to the boat that will be right for me and what I want.
In what you said about the truck it can pull the weight of the slide in camper and boat. I also know of others that have a F-350 and pull a boat without any problems. I'm thinking that the size you mention of 20' is what I will be after.
Thanks again,
Pathfinder450
 
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