Boycot or Not to Boycot

[Reel Poor]

Do you know where your Citgo gas money is going?<br /><br />Snopes Info on Citgo Gas

 

[QC]

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Ya know that is an excellent question. My take is that a boycott doesn't achieve anything and probably hurts Americans more than Hugo.<br /><br />What I do think we should do is continue to challenge anyone, American or otherwise, who portrays this country as anything but the greatest liberator in the world. We have helped more and freed more than our mistakes (which there have been many) can negate. You can't erase it and you cannot claim that we are only interested when there is oil or money at stake. What did we stand to gain in Korea? How did we or how would we have benefited financially from Vietnam? Somalia? Grenada? We weren't there to steal from these people, just as we aren't in Iraq to steal from her people. Exceptional liars do not make things true. Just as Hugo Chavez's rants don't make us Imperialistic.<br /><br />Fuel up!!

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Are you using gas made from Iranian crude??? Are you sure??? Remember, the USA bought a lot of gasoline from Europe last year.<br /><br />Now what are you going to do.<br /><br />There is so much misunderstanding about crude oil and such.<br /><br />Rush even got it wrong.<br /><br />He doesnt want us to use Saudi oil, and drill more oil in the USA. The problem is that crude oil is a world market. If we dont buy Saudi oil, someone else will. So in the end, what is the point.<br /><br />He also doesnt know that, crude oil is not all the same. Different crudes require different refinery methods. A tanker cant just pull up to any refinery and offload its crude.<br /><br />Also, economies of scale make Saudi oil very attractive, whereas USA oil is spread out and difficult to get to.<br /><br />And finally, the price of oil is set by only one thing....the commodity market. Not the cost of production or any other thing. The only way to lower the cost is use less, or produce more. The higher overhead of USA vs Saudi oil just comes out of the oil companies back pockets, they have no way to recoup any extra expenses.<br /><br />Ken

 

[heycods]

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Long read clear as mud.

 

[PW2]

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So I am starting to understand.<br /><br />You guys are all for democracy, as long as their democracy recognizes the fact that the USA is the greatest country on the face of the earth, and all other countries should bow down to the USA, while of course simultaneously celebrating their democratic freedoms.

 

[rodbolt]

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wonder how many folks Negroponte killed? wonder how many folks pinchet killed?<br /> wonder why we keep traing at the school of The americas, even though last year the school name was changed. why does the US continue to train terrorists?<br /> we have a terrorist training camp in Moyock NC as I type.<br />does it matter if the camp name is smith, hoddo or rasheed?<br /> if you train for torture and subversion,especially for money outside ANY govt supervision or sanctions its terror. you can call it a contractor,mercenary or terrorist but the result is exactly the same.<br /> I do think it funny that CITGO has bought back all its debt and removed itself from the SEC.<br /> now they have to file nothing with the US.<br /> I do have personall experience with Venezuela for the past 4 years.<br /> Hugo may not be good but monky boy and token are seriously frigging up.<br />VE is not all third world and the country is swimming in natural resources.<br />right now the govt is a bit squirrely but I spend 90 days a year or so there and its a progressive place where the average citizen is just like anything you see in the US.<br /> its not a bunch of natvives blasting about the jungle with blow guns.<br />monky boys isolation policy is and will be a dismall failure. it may have worked in the 20's when "national" intrest in cheap copper,lumber, fruits and oil was lining industrialists pockets but not anymore.<br /> the market for oil,gold,uranium,bauxite and many other resorces is to global.<br /> I think the average per capita income in VE is about 4000 USD a year. no way we can do free trade and the surrounding countries have even lower wages, yet imports are all done in dollars or euro's.<br /> there is not much you can buy here that I cant buy in VE at a higher cost.<br />ya want cheeto's? a ford Excursion? tylenol? about anything but it costs more.<br />thats part of what Hugo is trying to stop.<br />bad part is corruption in the VE govt is worse now than ever.<br />maybe we can get ortega and negroponte to kill off a few hundred thousand venezuelans, man will be just like the good old reagan years.<br />if you look at the amount of US sponsered terroism in the past 40 years or so its very sickening, but you have to look at it from the other side of the border sometimes.

 

[rwise]

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My only problem with "citgo" gas is my gas mileage falls about 4 miles to the gallon with it in my truck and about 3 miles to the gallon less with the car. If it weren't for that I would use it, but tell they get it right forget it.<br /><br />As for our oil fields, what I here locally is it will take 10 years to get production going again, as the equipment is in disrepair from setting and much has been sold off to over sea's interests.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Hmmm. now rodbolt you are really buying into that stupid liberal media crap arent you.<br /><br />I aint saying the USA is perfect, but comparing us to terrorist is just pathetic.<br /><br />And it has nothing to do with Citgo. <br /><br />And PW2, we dont ask anything of any country. We just tell them, if ya want to play with the USA, you gotta play by our rules (they aint that hard).<br /><br />Is it so wrong for us to look out for ourselves, or should we just become a doormat?<br /><br />Ken

 

[PW2]

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___________________________<br />And PW2, we dont ask anything of any country. We just tell them, if ya want to play with the USA, you gotta play by our rules (they aint that hard).<br />________________________________<br /><br />Ok, but who gave us the authority to establish the rules? <br /><br />And what exactly do we do if they choose a different set of rules? They are a democratically elected soverign government, you know.

 

[QC]

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PW2,<br /><br />I am proud of this country AND our record on human rights. That was my only point. I never said bow down. I said challenge those who portray us as terrorists (rodbolt), Imperialistic (Chavez) and rip-offs (anyone who believes we make war to steal natural resources).<br /><br />There are some rules that are superior . . . This is what is wrong with your question about who makes the rules, I am not sure what you believe. That nobody should make the rules or that everybody should make their own based on . . .

 

[kenimpzoom]

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They came into our yard. There is plenty of other kids houses for them to play at.<br /><br />They can change the rules and then we can tell them its my ball and we have to go inside and eat.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Ken

 

[KaGee]

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I'm thinking the Black Helicopters are after Rod too...("X-FILES" theme continues)

 

[oddjob]

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> ___________________________<br />And PW2, we dont ask anything of any country. We just tell them, if ya want to play with the USA, you gotta play by our rules (they aint that hard).<br />________________________________<br /><br />Ok, but who gave us the authority to establish the rules? <br /><br />And what exactly do we do if they choose a different set of rules? They are a democratically elected soverign government, you know.

We ( the USA ) did. Please duck ( I'm trying to shoot ) and try to get over it...

 

[KaGee]

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I always thought that the Golden Rule dictates... "He who has the Gold...Rules!"

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Except we are broke & getting broker ...JK

 

[Limited-Time]

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Originally posted by KaGee:<br /> I always thought that the Golden Rule dictates... "He who has the Gold...Rules!"

Bingo KG.<br /><br /> All those resource rich 3rd world countries wanted in the first place was money, preferably American money. Up until the resent past the only country affluent enough to buy those resources in any volume on a regular basis was the USA. Cause, ya dam sure don't need oil to run your horse, camel or ox team. So we decided hay, if ya want to do business with us (US) you have to play by our rules. Those times have passed, with the modernizing of once third world countries and the affluence that has generated we (the US) can no longer control the suppliers. My .02 cents FWIW

 

[jimonica]

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"Rush even got it wrong."

 

[Reel Poor]

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I agree with LT. We used to control the playing field and owned the ball. With all the democratic societies that we have helped come into the game we have expanded the playing field into other countries. Now the game is no longer played at home. We have to go elsewhere to to even stay in the competition. We no longer control the playing field or the ball for that matter. As far as the petroleum game goes I think were in the outfield, and with no real way or determination to get into the batters box.<br /><br />Maybe in the future we will be able to buy our petroleum products through a middle man, like China or Russia maybe, for a cheaper price.

 

[rodbolt]

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qc and kenni<br /> what is the school of the americas?<br /> what have the graduates done with their education?<br /> what is Blackwater INC in Moyock NC ?<br /> and then describe to all of us what a terrorist training camp actually is ?

 

[rodbolt]

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please ?<br /> pretty please with sugar on top