Bought myself a ticket

[Floridaguy32514]

So I bought my boat last year. Previous owner never gave me any paper on the trailer, I talked to the dmv, they gave me a form to have him fill out. I lost contact with the previous owner until several months later, Finally got the paperworked signed.

Figured I'd wait till the end of season and get the tag, I see 100s of boats around here with no tags on them. (dumb idea, I know)

well, end of season turned into beginning of season. since I had put the boat up for the cold. well, monday, we got a decent day, so I went.

well on the way home, I got stopped for no tail lights (honestly had no idea they weren't working, they were when I left the ramp)

It was a local deputy on field training. I explained everything to him, he was being very courteous to me and a perfect example of how to be nice and still do your job. well, his FTO for whatever reason didn't like me and was being a complete jerkoff (I think it was because I had a legal gun on me with a permit, because he was fine up until that point, I told the rookie I was carrying upon contact, the FTO didn't know until several mins later)

and when I think I'm about to get let go without a ticket, just waiting on my DL info to comeback, I had enough of the FTOs attitude, and I looked at his trainee right infront of him and said "I hope this isn't the type of Deputy he's training you to be" yeah.... I probably bought that no tag ticket, but it was worth it to see his FTOs face.


and to the LEOs on here, I have done security in low income for a long time, I know many, many deputies and many are close friends from my security job. I have never bashed a cop besides this FTO, short of one deputy who I found out had a history of pulling stunts like he did with me, who was later forced to medically retire after getting shot and getting two other deputies shot because of his stupidity.

 

[tazrig]

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I was a LEO for 10 years. Unfortunately there are idiots in every field.

 

[Floridaguy32514]

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I agree completely, the thing I've learned is Law Enforcement and Security even more so attract the idiots. I was a supervisor for a security company for 4.5 years, I have fired countless idiots, and seen some of the craziest stuff I have ever seen in my life. I was even attacked by a guard when I fired him.

 

[Outsider]

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I probably bought that no tag ticket

Yep, ya did good until then. Attitudes frequently influence tickets ... :faint2:

 

[Floridaguy32514]

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agreed, and I'm usually very good at keeping my mouth shut, but there becomes a point when it just needs saying. This wasn't your run of the mill stern unfriendly officer, this guy was rude, constantly saying things just to purposely try to **** me off. I don't know if it's extra paperwork for him, but like I said he had an issue with me every since he found out I had a gun.

 

[greenbush future]

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agreed, and I'm usually very good at keeping my mouth shut, but there becomes a point when it just needs saying. This wasn't your run of the mill stern unfriendly officer, this guy was rude, constantly saying things just to purposely try to **** me off. I don't know if it's extra paperwork for him, but like I said he had an issue with me every since he found out I had a gun.

Well I guess you told him ehh??

And in the end, it's the ability to control yourself, that will perhaps get you out of a ticket. I'm too cheap to let my pride get in the way, but I don't look down on anyone who "calls it like they see it". Too bad there is so much gray area when it comes to this kind of stuff. I don't think it's uncommon to see that kind of change in mood, when you inform the LEO's of your situation with your gun. Not really much you can do when it's the law.

 

[?ommon?ents_]

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I get why you said whay you did, could you have bit your tounge? Sure. But sometimes the wrong thing feels so right. Other times your just outgunned so to speak. I was stopped by the state police for a plate light, mind you my truck has two and one was out. Had I known I would have replaced it. Anyway, officer comes to the window, takes my info, sits in his car for what seems like forever. He was waiting for backup...his computer told him I had a LTC. I wasn't even carrying at the time. So there I am, three cruisers with jumpy cops, hands on their holsters, for a fix your light speech...I was never spoken to with any disrespect, and I didn't (for once) speak out of turn. The whole thing was so ridiculous it was funny, well, except for three cops looking for a reason to pull...

 

[Capt Sully]

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Yep, I'm retired LEO and I've seen a lot of cops that think they are the King. Why dont you take it to court and explain what happened to the judge. You may just win. Also if the cop doesn't show up, you can request your case to be dropped. Stand your ground, and have fun.

 

[greenbush future]

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Yep, I'm retired LEO and I've seen a lot of cops that think they are the King. Why dont you take it to court and explain what happened to the judge. You may just win. Also if the cop doesn't show up, you can request your case to be dropped. Stand your ground, and have fun.

I would think it take's time off work to try that, even though I've been told to fight every ticket I receive by my friends in LE. At the end of the day, it just waste's everyone's time when discretionary tickets are issued. When LEO's must go to court, that means bad guys are able to do bad things because of paperwork type responsibilities.

 

[kahuna123]

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I am driving home from St. Pete to New Port Richey. At rush hour every person 10 years too old to drive a car is headed for the early bird special. In the left lane doing 40 in a 55. I kinda lost my temper and traded two lanes at once with no turn signal. Here comes the lights. FHP which are notorious for tickets and generally no humor. He pulls me and walks up. This is when the Scion XB's first came out and every kid in town wants one. He walks up to the car looks at me and starts laughing. I am 50 with gray hair. License please. Mr Johnson when is the last time you got a ticket. I tell him 18 years. Goes to his car runs it comes back and says you were right, have a nice day.

 

[H20Rat]

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I would think it take's time off work to try that, even though I've been told to fight every ticket I receive by my friends in LE. At the end of the day, it just waste's everyone's time when discretionary tickets are issued. When LEO's must go to court, that means bad guys are able to do bad things because of paperwork type responsibilities.

In the short term, yes, but the court exists as a checks and balance system for the greater good. If the cop knows he can write any minor ticket and nobody will ever bother challenging it, then there is no limitation to write whatever he wants, whenever, to whoever... Showing up in court, and even pleading guilty, is a valuable function in our society.

Besides, at least around here, they get overtime for court appearances, so it isn't taking away from their normal duty schedule. Sounds like your LE friends also get overtime for sitting in court!

 

[greenbush future]

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In the short term, yes, but the court exists as a checks and balance system for the greater good. If the cop knows he can write any minor ticket and nobody will ever bother challenging it, then there is no limitation to write whatever he wants, whenever, to whoever... Showing up in court, and even pleading guilty, is a valuable function in our society.

Besides, at least around here, they get overtime for court appearances, so it isn't taking away from their normal duty schedule. Sounds like your LE friends also get overtime for sitting in court!

That last post was the practical side of my opinion, in reality, I did fight my last ticket, and won. But not everyone has a schedule that allows this. I laughed at the young officer when I actually explained what he did, and why to the judge. He stood right up and told the judge to dismiss my ticket. Had he listened to me in the first place, he would have saved the tax payers and me plenty. The OT statement you mentioned is just wrong! it sure isn't the solution to this situation. He failed at his job, and to me, he wasted lots of resources because he wouldn't even bother listening. And I remember when I was young, and knew everything too.

 

[Floridaguy32514]

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Well, looks like I lucked out & got out of this one. Looks like rookie forgot to turn my ticket in. the court has no records of it. Not to mention I actually looked at my ticket today, someone forgot to use the divider on their carbon paper. my entire ticket is unreadable because it has the previous ticket written on it too.

 

[coolbri70]

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maybe in anger he was in a hurry and forgot the divider, or once he cooled off decided he didn't want to claim such a big bust:lol: I worry about the admiral as she likes to say whats on her mind:facepalm: I have found its cheaper to remain silent, until in front of the judge, when I was young I got out of most tickets by going to court

 

[bonz_d]

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I don't come down here to chat very often but seen this and had to respond.

A week ago there was an incident on HWY 212 in Minn. were 2 people were shot and killed after a chase. Police were releasing very little info for a number of days. And still are not.

One of the dead is male and the other is female. The female was a friend of my son from high school.

The latest release from the police is that both got out of the car and the male had a knife. He was told to drop the weapon, a knife, didn't do it and was then shot multiple times. Supposedly she then picked up the knife and was then also shot multiple times.

They were surrounded by 5-6 police cars and dozens of armed officers, 1 knife against all those guns. Did they really need to shoot?

 

[Floridaguy32514]

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Don't really know what that has to do with my topic. but,

How many people is it okay for them to cut before it would of been okay for the police to shoot them? I have been in armed security for a long time. knives are not something to play with. I would go hands on (with back up) with people with different kinds of impact weapons.

I will never go hands on with someone with a blade. because even someone wildly swinging a blade can easily cut multiple people. even well enough for them to bleed out. if you come at me with a blade, I don't care how many people I have with me, I'm shooting you.

Especially someone who picks up a weapon from someone I just shot. that shows clear intent to do harm. It's a sad situation, I hate that people have to get killed. But just as those officers, I'm going home at the end of my shift. They were faced with a split second decision, and they chose the one they believe was best. If it was at the end of a car chase, I'm sure there will be dashcam video. if there was any bad decisions, it will come out.

 

[bonz_d]

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Don't really know what that has to do with my topic. but,

It was brought up in previous posts here of over zealous PD.

From Video that I'd seen there was no way either of them were ever going to get close enough to anyone to "cut" anyone. What ever happened to "non-leathal force"? The guy was stationary, wasn't movint towards anyone. Also the poor video that is available does not bear out that she ever bent down to pick up anything. The 1st radio dispatch by the officers was hostage situation.

So just how many shots does it take to take down a perp? 2? 3? 6? A couple dozen? There were at least 3 different departments involved and I'm sorry but my opinion is that they handled this very poorly.

LEO's, I know plenty of them. My late brother-in-law served for many years before he blew out a knee. A good customer I used to have was on the County PD and one of his fellow officers that I had aquaintence with retired at the age of 30 after serviving being shot with a shot gun at close range while on a call.

There are plenty of outstanding officers just as there are some who should never carry a badge.

 

[Home Cookin']

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First, there is a surprisingly long distance a person with a knife can cover before the other person can react, even shoot, much less draw. Thus a person with a knife 15' away is a very real and lethal threat even to a guy holding a gun. After all, anyone who ignore the command to drop the knife is likely to attack, and anyone who would rush a cop holding a gun is nutso and isn't going to stop or even thuink about consequences--an even bigger threat. Once warned to drop it, they should be considered on the attack, even if presently standing still.

And if the other crim after seeing her partner shot goes for the knife, then she is clearly on the attack with no regard for consequences, too.

Second, once a cop fires, he'll fire several rounds. It's not really excessive to shoot four times instead of one; it's really one shot. There is no time to verify that the first shot completely stopped the attacker (indeed, even to see if it hit the target), so the next shots follow. And there are a surpising number of misses even at close range; read the details on incidents when cops shoot multiple times, even into a car, and the big difference between shots fired and targets hit. It's a very uncontrolled unstable situation; it ain't no shooting range. And it's especially easy to fire off many rounds without pausing to see what's hit with modern semi-auto pistols.

Third, if several cops have their guns drawn, once one shoots the others naturally follow to protect themselves or the others, even though in calm retrospect it wasn't necessary. This isn't duck hunting where I can let my buddy shoot, and so what if he misses, I am not compelled to shoot at the same time.

So it's not overkill for a cop to shoot a guy with a knife, for a cop to shoot several rounds, or for several cops to shoot. it's really just one shooting--a shotgun so to speak.

 

[Home Cookin']

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agreed, and I'm usually very good at keeping my mouth shut, but there becomes a point when it just needs saying. This wasn't your run of the mill stern unfriendly officer, this guy was rude, constantly saying things just to purposely try to **** me off. I don't know if it's extra paperwork for him, but like I said he had an issue with me every since he found out I had a gun.

Sounds like you had the right to remain silent, but not the capability.

 

[Home Cookin']

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Cops are giving fewer warnings and more tickets these days. INstead of using their own judgment for when a ticket or a warning is appropriate, they leave it to the judge.

For one thing, they can't be criticized later for playing favorites (or hard-line) as to any group of people.

For another, they can't be criticized, or worse, if the person ends up causing bigger problems. In your case, about the best I can come up with is what if your broken lights cause an accident 2 weeks later b/c you didn't bother to get them fixed (but you would have before you go to court--SOP). Maybe not the best example but I think about DUI and how back in the day, you may get: "Be careful driving the rest of the way home, son; you've had too much to drink." Can you imagine that today?

I really don't think cops think about the revenue to the county, or ticket quotas, or any of that. But I have observed this: they will write up a 20 year old college student drinking a beer on his front porch--so that he and the other three officers called in for "back up" can hang around safe and sound for about an hour rather than going to gangland ten blocks away where there's real crime--and major danger to them. Maybe it's intentional and maybe subconscious, for them to find ways to stay where it's safe.