Boating Noobie with some purchase questions

blue77

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NO WAY the boat does 60 knots!!! The B3 according to Merc is only rated at 65 MPH (54-55 knots). I doubt in an unknown mfg's hull that you would achieve anything approaching 65 MPH, Baja maybe. Sounds like this guy is selling you the Brooklyn Bridge! Run away now!

He didn't tell me anything about top speed or cruising speed, I got the information from another ship dealer who has a similiar boat (same boat but cuddycabin instead of the bowseater). He has made no promises, has agreed to a water test (on Tuesday next week) and to have someone check it over. He has been very upfront with it all.
 

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Just google marine surveyor there are many


I gotta say a 27' big block bravo boat' at 12k with a trailer there has to some costly issues that will need to be fixed



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Does that mean IF it is in good condition (according to a mechanic/surveyor), it is a good buy? How much could I fix (dollar wise) and it STILL be a good buy?

I THINK the boat is an Aussie make (but the site I THINK it comes from isn't working), someone edjumacate me on where to find out what makes a Baja so 'good' so I can compare to this boat (since that seems to be in the same 'operational envolope')
 

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Baja aren't really very good either. They are sort of the Bayliner of the go-fast boat world. Yes, I am now ducking. But they are famous for putting big engines in little boat and going fairly fast. I am in agreement that the boat you are looking at will probably max out around 50-55 mph tops. That is plenty fast on the water though.
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Baja aren't really very good either. They are sort of the Bayliner of the go-fast boat world. Yes, I am now ducking.

LOL, ok how about this... what should I be looking for in a 'go fast' boat?

I'm not opposed to smaller/unknown/botique boat builders (heck some of the best boats come from them, and yes so do some of the worst :D)

I've called 4 surveyors in Philadelphia (closest major city, about 30 miles away) and you would think I'm asking them to do this for free or as a favor for a relative they dont like... Is there a specific reason I should use a surveyor instead of a mechnic?
 

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A "mechnic" only really know about the engines and drives, not much about the structures, etc. A surveyor will check for water content of the transom and stringers as well as the condition of the bilges and electrical systems and just about anything else you can think of. They give you a 20-page report on the condition of the whole boat for about $100. A mechanic is just going to say something like "Yup. she looks good to me". Or "It's shiny". The service group you were planning on using is only interested in doing the "spring service" and if they happen to notice something wrong they will be more than happy to tell you because they are hoping you'll have them repair it. But there are two problems with this approach. 1- How good is the mechanic doing the work? and 2-How honest is the mechanic doing the work? and 3- The surveyor is actually licensed and certified to be competent and 4- just PM bobogle about his experiences dealing with philly marine groups.
If you want a good name in go-fast boats look to formula and fountain among others, but I doubt you'll pick one up for $12K. LOL
 

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Never said Baja was a quality boat! I said that they will go fast due to their hull design, I don't think that there is much room for argument in that statement. They get 60+ MPH out of single engine boats regualarly, but not with a B3.
 

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LOL bah spell check, come here spell check ;)

Thank you for your help (all of you), I'm surprised I can pick up ANYTHING for $12k. Just for comparison sake, I went to a show room and looked at some new monteray's 24' (all bowriders) with a 5.4L (it DID have a head, though I dont know easy that darn small compartment would be) was running ~$55k new.

2 year old Monteray 21' (not used, but no the latest models) 5 L for $30k...

So then I looked online, I'm finding Monterays (which are not really the same class) from 1995 running $20-$25k.

Not sure I could find ANYTHING for $12k in this class. I'm wondering if I have just walked into the widows barn (and found the classic car she didn't know she had) or if this thing is a pig.
 

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Wellcraft's are also pretty decent, but they are built heavy, so they ride nice and handle bigger water better, but they are slower than other boats for a given size and powertraing. And, yes marine surveyors are very busy and usually you have to get on a waiting list maybe a month out. If you expect one to drop what he is doing to come do a survey on a 27 ft boat, I wouldn't hold my breath. The other thing I forgot to mention was looking for hooks, etc. in the hull, i.e. checking it for flatness and straightness. Also checking for previously repaired damage.
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IMO, I would jump on it, if it checks out to be good, and the price is right! It seems you know how you intend to use it, and it is fine for that. Some pictures would help us giving advice. I'm not one to stick with brand names, if I like something, think it's in good shape, and it serves my purpose. A big block motor, is not overkill for a 27' speed boat, it is about right, most boat's this size have twin (small, or big blocks) in them, even cabin cruisers.
 

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YIKES... I finally got a marine surveyor to respond to me, they work for Loyd's Registry. $300 an hour, minimum of 3.5 hours, plus travel expenses (.70 a mile) plus admin fee
 

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I think that is a bit extreme. If you can't get a surveyor, what are you going to do? Take your chances. I would at least get somebody reliable and knowledgeable to look it over for you. Try picking up the Mariner or The Nor'easter and look for surveyors ads. Bill Dial has a column in the Mariner and I know he is a surveyor, maybe try getting hold of him. In the end it's your decision because it's your money. I tend to say "if it's too good to be true, do your research".--
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I'm going to water test it for sure, I'll do a visual inspection myself (to the extent I can) and have the local shop check it over. I'm still looking for a surveyor, but not having any luck (I'm not paying THAT much for a surveyor). If I get the 'willies' at any point I'm not going to buy it. If I feel confident (as do those I have look at it) I'm going to buy it.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a surveyor, but I'm not going to pass up this opertunity (if that IS what it is :D) because I can't find one (at a reasonable rate, $400 ish feels like a good 'limit' to have someone look it over, I'm not paying $1,000 plus fees)
 

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Sounds like you're covering your butt as best as you can. Good luck, I truly do hope it is as good a deal as it sounds. I'll look forward to seeing you out on the water to raft up sometime.
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Oh heck, for a $12k boat if you can't get it surveyed for a reasonable cost just hire a good mechanic to look it over. IF it's a very goot physical condition how much risk are you taking....as long as the ENGINE/DRIVE check out fine. That's what the mechanic is for. He can also have a look at the boat and give you an opinion if he's an experienced boat person. It's not rocket science, just seems that way to a novice.

loose fittings, soft spots on floor, beat up hull, etc, - not too hard to find. Take a rubber mallet along to bang the transom a bit for dull thud sound of potential rot maybe. Have the mechanic check general condition of wiring and engine. Done.

$300+/hr AND 3 hr. min. AND travel expenses...c'mon......
 

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$300+/hr AND 3 hr. min. AND travel expenses...c'mon......

Yeah, it sounded like the grand blowoff to me, too. Like "If you're dumb enough or desperate enough to pay this outrageous fee, we'll be happy to take your money". Good people to do business with. I'll have to remember Loyd's registry.
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The guy from loyd's called me today, the 'reason' for the crazy fee is they dont have anyone in Philly to do the work, they would have to fly someone in from Miami... so I guess the price wasn't that crazy, but i'm not paying it for a 12k boat (heck 10% of the cost just to check it out, seems... silly... i'm thinking I can do quite a bit of repair for 1k)
 

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they would have to fly someone in from Miami...
"plus travel expenses (.70 a mile)"


Wow,let's see...at .70 a mile........... I'd say you'd be well over 1K....LOL
 

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Ok so some updates I didn't post when I posted the link to the pictures. I was in th boat while the broker (for the lack of a better term, a mechanic who is helping a good client sell the boat) was changing the wood in the rear seat (sun lounge area) appreantly when they reupholstered the boat they used the old wood in that section and they wanted it changed (he did a pretty good job while I watched).

I looked at the engine, it is really clean (but not 'was just washed clean, no evidence of it being degreased, and was a bit 'dusty'). It has (again I dont have a good word for this) dual pathed exhaust, with the flip of a switch the exhaust can be changed from 'wet' (standard through the outboard) to a 'straight through' (exhaust pumped straight back through what look to be 4-5" stainless pipes right out the back of the boat) as a performance 'adder'.

The deck is solid, not any give anywhere. It has a fridge that looks in great shape, and a 'camp stove' and 'wet bar' set up (there is a picture) which I haven't seen on any other bowriders.

I looked at the wiring (and took some pictures) and with exception of a breaker box for shore power (connected to a charger) all the wires are in great condition (the breaker box is ok, but I would prob change the splice they have in there for something a bit more professional looking).

It has dual batteries with a selector switch for 1,2,both, none.

The boat itself is rated for 10 people/1500 pounds (which seems a bit light for a boat that long, but you know more than 8 people on a bowrider gets really crowded no matter how long it is.

The hull has some scratches, but nothing deep (not going to buff them out, but not 'bad' either) and the bottom would need to be repainted. There were no other malformalities on the hull (to look or touch).

From the above post you will get some really large picture (3 megapixels) so you can get a pretty good look at what I saw.

What else should I be looking for?
 

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Need to evaluate closely the level of corrosion on that BIII outdrive. It's hard to tell from the picture, but the corrosion looks pretty extensive. And the hoses from the valve cover breathers to the flame arrestor are definitely not correct. The butt connectors gotta go for some proper splices. That's all I've got.
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