Boat wasp repellent?

Rockmere1

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Re: Boat wasp repellent?

Very interesting! I did not know any of this "Bee" information, I now find that it makes sense about the honey bees, Thanks for the info
 

chriscraft254

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Re: Boat wasp repellent?

Everybody says winter is a great time to destroy wasp nests. First, don't bother with wasp nests, because wasps don't reuse them. In fact, an old nest may deter wasps from making a new one nearby.
Wasps are dormant in winter that is true.

But, DON'T mess with honey bee hives in winter. Honey bees DON'T go dormant, and winter is their most important time to defend the hive. Even in Wisconsin winter, honey bees keep the interior of the hive at about 95 degrees, by flexing their wing muscles. That's why they store all that honey. For food to keep them going over the winter.

BTW, for anybody who thinks they got stung by a bee at a barbeque. No you didn't. You got stung by a Yellow Jacket (a type of wasp)

If you see 'bees' going after your crab shells at a crab feast, or hovering around your beer or soda, they are Yellow Jackets.
Wasps eat meat and fruit. Honeybees want flowers - pollen and nectar. (Honey bees WILL go after a sugar/water solution, at certain drought (non-flowering) times of the year, but is not their preference. I feed my honey bees sugar/water in late fall, or early spring just to help them over the winter, but they'd rather have the real thing). At any rate, if you ever see a 'bee' at your crab-feast leftover shell table, I will bet my life that it is not a 'bee'. Bees don't eat meat.

I'm a 50+year old beekeeper. I just realized last year that maybe I've NEVER been stung by a 'bee'. (Unless as a kid I maybe stepped on one).

Here's the deal: Wasps (hornets and yellow jackets) defend everything all the time. They can sting multiple times, with no detriment to themselves. So they have no reason not to. They are naturally bread to be *****holes. Their stingers have no barbs, like barbless hooks we're now using in pre-Striper catching season.

Honeybees only defend the hive, and the honey. If a honeybee stings you, it dies. That's of no use to the hive, away from the hive. Any honey bee away from the hive REALLY doesn't want to sting you. It will only sting you away from the hive if you step on it, or trap it in some way. Honey bees graduate through different jobs to be an outside, forager bee. These outside bees are CPO, Sargent, experienced bees, useful to the hive. The hive really can't survive a forager bee losing it's life on stupid shlt.

It's all a matter of timing, which makes sense when you think about it.

See, if you messed with a honey bee hive in early June, you may get away with it. The bees have plenty of time to fix it or make new honey before winter.

Last week I was convinced that I needed to open my hives and feed them. (Long story short here). So I did. I put on the bee suit (which I thought was a waste of time), smoked the hives (to convince the hive that 'Fire may be coming. Ignore the dude in the suit and prepare to move the hive')

So, in Feb at 58 degrees I popped open the hive with a tray of condensed sugar water. These bees, the gentlest bees I've ever known, attacked me like I was a red shirt in a Killer Bee movie. They ignored the smoke, and in seconds covered my veil, so I couldn't see.

Aside from being freaked out, I was a bit stunned. These were my bee bros.

Usually, smoking the honeybees is a very high priority, so they ignore the beekeeper.

Apparently, In late winter, they have not much winter honey stores, so protecting the hive is even higher than protecting against fire.

It was weird. In seconds, I could not see beyond my veil. And this was my smallest of my gentlest hives. I did the same to my other hives, and it was worse.

Creeped me out. And I'm a beekeeper. Still, creeped me out.


Lesson learned; don't mess with honeybees in winter.

Knock down all the wasp nest in winter you want to. Doesn't matter. Wasps won't reuse them, anyway. BUT the old nests MAY convince the new wasps to make a new nest elsewhere.

Some really good info there man, I appreciate the time you took to write it! :)

I have to say, or ask, am I the only one that kinda finds it comical that the beekeeper is having wasp problems??,lmao:facepalm:

. Sorry couldn't resist! It seems to me, you have your problem solution right in front of you. Pour some sugar/water down into the boat holes and keep your bees in there,lol Again sorry, couldn't resist. I do think a couple thousand bees could kick some major wasp butt!:D

For what its worth, everyone should bomb there boat a couple times a year, not just for wasps. Ants will eat a boat into sawdust in a short amount of time, so will termites.
 

floatfan

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Re: Boat wasp repellent?

Great info on the bees jd. Aside from near where someone has hives set up, we don't see that many honeybees around here anymore. Redwing and guinea wasps on the other hand...we have them in droves. Only time we really have to deal with yellow jackets are when the pears start to drop from the trees. All the yellow jackets come out to get liquored up on the fermenting fruit. I found one of their underground nest a few years back while putting a deer stand up. Those jokers lit my legs up before I had a chance to realize I was stepping all around their door. The wasps around here build everywhere though. Porch roof, under awnings, utility building, boat :mad:...even had to deal with some that made their way into the attic when I was putting up Christmas decorations. I hate 'em with a passion! Gotta look into getting a bee suit. Didn't realize they could be had for so cheap. I'll be a wasp killing machine!! :cool:
 

DuckHunterJon

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Re: Boat wasp repellent?

Here's the deal: Wasps (hornets and yellow jackets) defend everything all the time. They can sting multiple times, with no detriment to themselves. So they have no reason not to. They are naturally bread to be *****holes. Their stingers have no barbs, like barbless hooks we're now using in pre-Striper catching season.

Thanks for the info. I especially liked the above statement. Bees/wasps don't generally bother me (I ride motorcycle all summer and usually get a dozen hits a year or so), but one time I did end up in the hospital after jumping into an old dump truck that only got used once or twice a year. There was a yellow jacket nest about the size of a basket ball in the cab. I remember getting out of the cab, not much after that.

I have thought about getting into bee keeping, seems pretty facinating reading about others knowledge of the subject. Thanks again.
 

cyclops2

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Re: Boat wasp repellent?

I now leave the BIG Carpenter bees alone. They will grab any insect & stuff it in to a hole as food for a hatching baby later.
N J ones do grab wasps on the flybys. Scary big bugs but they really want to only catch flying insects for food.
 

jdlough

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Re: Boat wasp repellent?

I have to say, or ask, am I the only one that kinda finds it comical that the beekeeper is having wasp problems??,lmao:facepalm:.

Yeah. Well. I'm mostly trying NOT to kill bee-type things! I'm the only guy in my neighborhood who's trying to encourage bees to swarm to me. Free Bees! Yeahhhh!

I've only been keeping bees for a couple of years, so I'm just past the 'bee noob' stage. I can give advice on winterizing your hive about as well as advice on winterizing your outboard. (Drain and refill lower unit - feed bees. Lower motor for draining - insulate hive. Decarb - ReFeed as needed)

Wasps and bees are mortal enemies, that is true. Wasps often attack a bee hive, to get to the honey. I've watched vids of this happening, and it doesn't make sense. It may take 100 bees to finally kill a single wasp. (Wasps are way bigger and stronger, and just rip the bees heads off). But a single strong bee hive contains about 50,000 to 70,000 bees. At any time maybe 10,000 bees can be called in to use as defenders. The biggest wasp colony is under 200 wasps. I guess it must work sometimes, though. I suspect that particular wasp hive is in a particularly desperate situation, to even try it.

One of the things beekeepers do to help the bees defend their nest is to reduce the size of the opening into the hive. See, in summer the bees are strong, with huge numbers of bees, so we leave a big hive opening. In fall-winter-spring, we close the opening to about 1", so the bees have to enter and exit single-file. Any attacking thing has to enter thru that little hole, to meet the bee defender force. Of course it's easier to defend a smaller opening. If you've ever seen the movie "300", it's kinda like that.

Aside from wasps, the honeybee's next most enemy is: fat guy (iboats forum poster) and fat guy's dog.

Re: Fat guy. The real bees' enemy is the bear. Bears just tear into bee hives and eat everything. It's the only animal that MOSTLY ignores bee stings to the face. (Eventually they will go away). Bees are genetically programed to sting fat guys in brown clothing who look like bears. That's why beekeepers wear white suits.

Re. Fat guy's dog. Believe it or not, the bees second enemy is the skunk. Skunks think bees are just delicious. They show up at a hive opening at night, smack the hive to get some activity, and eat the bees as they come out. A single skunk can eat thousands of bees at a sitting. Bees don't like skunks. To a bee, your dog looks like a skunk. (Actually, your dog's breath smells like skunk breath. Bees don't like C02 breath)

Last year my dog (Boykin Spaniel - smart dog) followed me to the hives. Before I could stop her, she stopped right in front of a hive opening, and started snapping bees right outta the air. In a few seconds, she stopped and started wiping her face. Yep, she got stung right on the lip. Now, when she follows me to the hives, she carefully walks in a big circle about 100' away from the hives. Yep, smart dog.
 
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