BOAT INSURANCE

Vantoo

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Hello all,<br />I have a question and would like some input. I just bought a 1985 16 ft ebbtide with a 1979 70 hp Evinrude outboard. I went to get insurance and agent told me the if there were a claim, it would only pay $160.00 on the outboard. I told him I would buy all the 70 hp Evinrude outboards he could find for $160.00. I know it is an old engine but I could not replace it for that. Plus he said they would only pay $180.00 for the trailor and aronund $1700.00 for the boat. Any suggestions? thanks, Rick
 

waterone1@aol.com

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Simple, find another insurance agent ! Talk to your homeowners carrier, progressive, united marine underwriters, etc. Shop for insurance untill you find something reasonable. Do NOT give your SS # or give them permission to check your credit rating untill you have narrowed things down (too many inquaries will lower your credit rating).
 

Vantoo

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Originally posted by waterone1:<br /> Simple, find another insurance agent ! Talk to your homeowners carrier, progressive, united marine underwriters, etc. Shop for insurance untill you find something reasonable. Do NOT give your SS # or give them permission to check your credit rating untill you have narrowed things down (too many inquaries will lower your credit rating).
Yea, that was my homeowner carrier. The point was, why carry full coverage when they wont pay what the boat is worth. Maybe I can get what they call agreed value insurance on the boat. Thanks for the reply and advice.
 

Braxton

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boatus will give you different options try them
 

theriver

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All of my boats are insured for declared value or the survey amount. No surprises in the event of damage or total loss. Some are insured through my home policy, Others through marine carriers.<br /><br />A friend recently tore the leg off his I/O on a 15 year old boat insured for $9K and the insurance co. replaced with a brand new one ($6K). There are good no-nonsense carriers out there.
 

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Boat topic
 

Skiuseme

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As An Insurance Agent I would Like To Clear Something up Thing Up. <br /><br />1. NO WE DO NOT CHECK YOUR CREDIT SCORE. We Check Your Insurance Score. We Check Past Payment History on Accounts, Claim History There Are Studies one By The Insurance Industry To Prove That People Who Continualy Paylate and Have A Bad Insurance Score Tend To Turn In More Claims<br /><br /><br />Also As An Agent. There Are a Few Things That We Do Need. We Are Professionals. We Are Heavly Regulated By Each State. So We Make Dam Sure That No Information Gets Leaked Out Of Our Offices In Fear Of Prosicuition.<br /><br />To Give You A Quote That is Anywhere near the correct numbers Which Involes <br /><br />All Liscensed Drivers Numbers<br />Birthdates<br />Addresses<br />All Tickets In The Past 5 Years <br />All Accidents In the Past 5 Years (At Fault and Not At Fault)<br />Info on Anyone In The Household That Will Have Access To The Boat/car/home<br />And Yes The Dreaded Social Security #<br /><br />In My Family Agency We Will Not Give Quotes Unless We Have All Of This Info As It Is a Waste Of My And Your Time
 

TilliamWe

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I want to add, how or where does the agent get these numbers for "claims" payments? I don't think Ski will take offense when I say that agents are agents, claims adjusters are claims adjusters. So, I may not accept claim payment info from my agent, just as I wouldn't accept a premium quote from a claims adjuster.<br />That said, where are you located? If you are in the eastern US, (midwest mainly), you might want to check out a company called American Select. If your independant insurance agent is a Westfield agent, he/she should be able to help.
 

WAB

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Cost new minus depreciation.<br />A 1979 70hp evinride costs how much new, minus 26 years of depreciation?? <br />IF you can get an 'agreed value' policy that is the only way to go for an older boat & motor like yours. <br /><br />I'm an insurance agent also, and I know exactly what you are saying, Skiuseme. As soon as you even mention the word credit, people get skeptical. But they are usually the ones with terrible credit. The insurance score check is coded as a 'promotional inquiry', and does NOT count as a hit against their credit like regular credit checks. <br />The problem is that people flat out LIE about driving records, accidents, credit, etc. I'll quote anybody, but I tell them upfront the quote could change once the driving records and insurance score is ordered. ;)
 

WAB

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Also, no way would I give out all that info (like SSN) to every agent when calling around for quotes.
 

WillyBWright

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You don't buy insurance to replace a 25 year old motor. You buy it for liability in case you run into somebody. THAT's the real value in Boatowner's Insurance when it comes to insuring old boats. No matter what anybody tells you, an insurer !!! WILL NEVER !!! pay more that Bluebook for a damaged package. Their responsibility IS NOT TO YOU! It is to the STOCK HOLDERS! As a stockholder, would you want to invest in a company that paid $5000 for a $500 boat??? NO!!!!!
 

Vantoo

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Originally posted by WillyBWright:<br /> You don't buy insurance to replace a 25 year old motor. You buy it for liability in case you run into somebody. THAT's the real value in Boatowner's Insurance when it comes to insuring old boats. No matter what anybody tells you, an insurer !!! WILL NEVER !!! pay more that Bluebook for a damaged package. Their responsibility IS NOT TO YOU! It is to the STOCK HOLDERS! As a stockholder, would you want to invest in a company that paid $5000 for a $500 boat??? NO!!!!!
Well.... I didn't want a $5000.00 boat. Just would like to have this one replaced if stolen or in accident. And you could not replace the motor for $160.00.<br /><br />Thanks for all the input. Found Company today that would insure for agreed amount.
 

WillyBWright

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Keep in mind that Boatowner's Insurance is nothing like Life Insurance. It sounds as if you have the two confused. With Life Insurance, the face value will be paid on the death of the insured in full. With Boatowner's Insurnace (or Automobile Insurance), they will pay UP TO the face value based on fair market value of the boat if it is totalled or stolen. (Take particular note of the words UP TO!) In other words, if you insure your boat for $2500 and it's only worth $500, you get $500. All you get for the additional "coverage" is higher premiums. Conversely, if your boat is worth $2500 and you only insure to $500, you still only get $500. It isn't Rocket Science. If everybody insured a boat for more than it's worth, then what would prevent everybody from trashing their boat and Make A Profit??? This is the Real world. Read The Fine Print. Don't believe everything an insurance salesman tells you. They are adept in making it sound good, and what you assume may not be true at all. When claims such as you're proposing actually hit the books, the customers are always suprised and disappointed. It's a very common misconception. Don't fall into that trap. :)
 

wannagofishin

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Personally, if I were the supreme ruler of the world, or even the United States, insurance agents would be locked up with the lawyers. Life sentence - no parole. Insurance companies are gamblers. They're betting they will produce more money than they lose, and just like any casino, the odds are in their favor. Between the pair, lawyers and insurance companies, they have caused the price of everything we do, or use, to increase in price a thousand-fold. <br /><br />Every business has to have insurance to cover not only their workers, but their products. Then you have transportation - they have to have vehicle insurance, plus insurance to cover the load. Then, there's the retailer. Again, worker's comp and liability. Then you have to insure everything you own. Insurance for each vehicle, even though you can only drive one at a time. Homeowner's insurance in case some dork wearing high heels in the snow, slips on your sidewalk. It's a rip-off. <br /><br />If you have an older boat, get liability insurance. If you damage it, fix it or scrap it. By the time you subtract the deductable, anything over that on a claim will make your premiums go up.<br /><br />Rant over - we return you to your regularly scheduled topic.
 

craze1cars

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Originally posted by Skiuseme:<br /> As An Insurance Agent I would Like To Clear Something up Thing Up. <br /><br />1. NO WE DO NOT CHECK YOUR CREDIT SCORE. We Check Your Insurance Score. We Check Past Payment History on Accounts, Claim History There Are Studies one By The Insurance Industry To Prove That People Who Continualy Paylate and Have A Bad Insurance Score Tend To Turn In More Claims<br /><br /><br />
This is and interesting comment...I'll add my input. As someone with insurance underwriting experience, I'll clear something else up: YES, WE DO CHECK YOUR CREDIT SCORE. Our independent agents don't do the check, but the underwriting department does it and then uses the info, along with the other stuff you mentioned, to determine rates.<br /><br />It has been statistically proven that people with bad credit are at higher risk to have more claims. There's also some resistance to this method of rating and it's being challenged in some courts, but it's very much alive and well for now. I'm not saying that ALL insurance companies check credit scores, or that it's the right thing to do. And maybe yours doesn't, but I know for a fact that many do.<br /><br />And I'll share my opinion of insurance: I insure only things that have the potential to bankrupt me. That means my home, my life (to prevent my family & kids from being brankrupt if I knock off and they lose my income) and liability (with coverage measured in MILLIONS, not measly $100,000's, in case I accidentally kill a busload of kids). I have never, and will never, insure my car, boat, snowmobile, jewelry, gun, etc, etc, etc. If I lose one of these items, it would certainly ruin my day, but it wouldn't ruin my life. I figure I can always scrape up a grand or two for replacement transportation, and luxury items are not NEEDS. Therefore they shouldn't be insured. So I insure what will ruin my LIFE only. And I bank the money I save just in case I DO lose a luxury item and I want to replace it...so I'm basically self-insuring my luxuries.
 

koolerb

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Hmmm, my insurance rate is connected to my credit score. That sucks, and you can take your statistics and shove em. One shouldn't be connected to the other.
 

craze1cars

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Originally posted by koolerb:<br />One shouldn't be connected to the other.
I don't agree with it either. Just sharing my knowledge and experience.<br /><br />
Originally posted by koolerb:<br />you can take your statistics and shove em.
Wha an insightful addition to this topic...I never had considered that possibility. Thank you!
 

WAB

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Originally posted by koolerb:<br /> Hmmm, my insurance rate is connected to my credit score. That sucks, and you can take your statistics and shove em. One shouldn't be connected to the other.
Only 2 types of people say that, people WITH crappy credit, and people that like paying more for other's claims. Which are YOU? :p
 

tommays

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I insure only things that have the potential to bankrupt me.
one of the big reasons to carry insurance is that the costs of cleaning up even a MINOR sinking is a lot of money<br /><br />it cost big time to have a fuel spill cleaned up<br /><br /><br />tommays
 

craze1cars

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Originally posted by tommays:<br />one of the big reasons to carry insurance is that the costs of cleaning up even a MINOR sinking is a lot of money<br /><br />it cost big time to have a fuel spill cleaned up<br /><br /><br />tommays [/QB]
100% correct, but you (probably unknowingly) just raised an absolutely critical loophole in MANY boat policies. So I'm back on my soapbox again.<br /><br />By all means a pollution cleanup is expensive. And for that very reason many of the fine insurance companies out there will often NOT pay for cleanup. <br /><br />For example: Here's a quote directly out of an American Family Insurance Boatowner's policy:<br /><br />"EXCLUSIONS:<br /><br />12. Polution Damage. We will not cover bodily injury or property damage arising out of the actual, alledged, or threatened discharge, dispersal, release, escape, seepage, trespass, wrongful entry, migration, injestion, inhalation or absorbtion of a polutant from any source.<br /><br />We will not pay for loss, cost, expense, fine, or penalty to test for, monitor, clean up, remove, contain, treat, detoxify, neutralize or dispose of any pollutants, whether or not such actions are done voluntarily or at the direction, request or demand of any governmental body or agency, any other authority, person or organization, or as a result of any suit."<br /><br />Pretty thorough languange, huh? That's the long way of saying that just because you have boat insurance does not mean they will pay a single penny toward a fuel spill cleanup. Some policies will offer this coverage. American Family, and many others, do not. <br /><br />Lesson: KNOW YOUR POLICIES.<br /><br />The biggest point that I'd like everyone to understand is this: Everyone is so focused, when buying insurance, on insuring the proper value of the BOAT (or car, or motorcycle, or whatever)...or worse yet, the amount of the silly deductible. This is such a small and insignificant part of boat insurance, especially wnen you're dealing with smaller boats (by smaller I mean under 28 to 30 footers) Sure, your hard research and shopping will guarantee that you'll get your $5,000 or $30,000 value out of your boat. Wonderful. But few will give a fleeting thought to the $200,000 price tag of an EPA fuel and oil spill cleanup, or the $2.5 million dollar lawsuit you just had slapped on you because your prop chopped up and killed the primary breadwinner of another family while you were looking the other way for 3 seconds. Chances are that if you're reading this right now, you are GROSSLY underinsured for such a scenario and you don't even know it. THESE are the types of losses that can cause a bankrupcy or destroy your financial security. And these are the types of accidents that need to be anticipated and insured, and those what-if scenarios are the questions people need to ask their insurance companies. The value of the boat itself is peanuts.<br /><br />Please don't take me wrong...I'm not trying to talk down to anyone or criticize. The whole concept of insurance is extremely complex, and I don't like the loopholes, language, and legalities anymore than others do. But they exist. And I'm just trying to help people understand something I have a great deal of experience in, and something that is not well understood by about 98% of the general public.
 
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