Boat going in reverse instead of forward

Alfredo81

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Hi everyone and before I ask my question. Thanks for taking the time to help.
I recently bought a boat with a 96 Mercury Force 115Hp. The day I went to test it, the first thing that happened was that I put the boat in reverse and it move forward. I checked the cables in the control box and then in the motor and they are doing the correct movements. At least that's what the mechanic says. Is there any chance that the lower unit is a left instead of right and that is causing the problem. I checked and the prop is a right, but I really don't know. Thanks again and I hope that you can help me out.
 

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Is there any chance that the lower unit is a left instead of right and that is causing the problem.

No expert, but that would be my guess. Have not heard of a Force Merc motor, but post your question in one of those sections and have a better chance of getting a more knowledgeable person

Otherwise might just get a left had prop and go boating
 

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Thanks that's what I was thinking, any clue how do I know the difference between the LH or RH lower unit?
 

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As a non expert, I'm just going by what your telling me. Hey @Texasmark maybe so.e help.

You say everything works as it should and you have a right handed prop on the motor
 

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Yes but when I put the gear forward the prop rotates counterclockwise.
One of my problems are that I'm not able to find the difference for the lower unit.
 

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I think you likely have a left hand lower unit (assuming the cables are correctly arranged). To get around this, I would just find a left hand prop and install it and it should perform just as well as any right hand motor.
 

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This should be reposted in the Mercury/Force forum. Mercury OBs often have this issue, and it is easily correctable. I am not sure about Force products.

There are design differences between a CCW and CW gearcase. Changing the prop to make it work correctly can easily destroy the gearcase.
 

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Check out post #19 of this thread,

Guessing something similar on the OB
 

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It's a Force by Mercury Marine. My '99 had that naming convention on it. Was the cheapest 2 stroke Merc built.
 

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Mike, Inboard engines were often designed to run CCW. As far as I know (Mercury direct reversing motor excluded), outboards were not.
 

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As a non expert, I'm just going by what your telling me. Hey @Texasmark maybe so.e help.

You say everything works as it should and you have a right handed prop on the motor
Thanks for the intro but I can only try to help.

Force (Mercury Marine product) was initially a West Bend, then Chrysler, then early model Force...Mercury's low ball market entry, and later incorporating some of Mercury's parts/designs. I don't think it was ever intended to enter the up scale dual engine installation whereby you ran a L and R (counter-rotating) prop setup like their regular higher HP engines.

3 things cold be your problem: Linkage in the control box, or your lower unit was removed for servicing...like a water pump impeller change, and upon reinstalling the shift cam position didn't agree with the position of the remote control...a fairly common problem with do-it-yourselfers. or somebody tried to shift into R without the engine running or prop turning and damaged the engine shifter linkage.

Some older control boxes were built for multiple position installations and had cable entry holes on the top and bottom of the rear of the control. The position of the cables (top or bottom holes) determined the direction the center conductor moved when the shift lever was pushed in the opposite direction from the cable entry end.

I am not familiar with the Force lower unit as having had West Bend, and Chrysler (45 and 85 HP) engines but never having the LU off. I don't know if Mercury used their LU design when they went to the thru prop exhaust (later production) or not....and just what model of the Force you have.

If it were my engine I'd first disconnect the remote cable and grasping the connection pin in the engine where the center cable attaches, see if I could move the shifter arm through FNR positions......being careful when attempting to go into R without the engine running, to manually turn the prop so that the cogs and slots can line up and engage. If that doesn't work, the shifter cable in the engine is damaged or the lower unit shifter stub was in the wrong position when reinstalling the LU.....if a Mercury design or similar shifter setup. Otherwise have a look at the control box setup. Some history would help as would a service manual for that engine.

Faztbullet is better suited to answer that question as he is in the business and is a certified mechanic as are a few others who frequent the site, Chris1956, Racerone, Dockside Marine Services, to name a few.
 

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Mike, Inboard engines were often designed to run CCW. As far as I know (Mercury direct reversing motor excluded), outboards were not.
The I/O engines themselves didn't run counter (which would be CCW) but the outdrives did, and were different in twin setups. Are you saying twin OBs had the same gear cases?
 

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Have to clear things up a little.
What motor do you have?
I ask because there was no Force 115 hp made in 1996.
The last Force 115 was made in 1983 when Chrysler owned them.
In 1996, they made a 90 hp 3 cylinder, and a 120 hp 4 cylinder model.

By 1996, all Force motors were using Mercury made lower units.


It could be the seller cobbled together a boat, slapping on a different control box. Or they may have simply connected the cable to the wrong part of the control arm.

Some set ups push the cable to go into forward, some pull the cable to go into forward. The cable connected to the control box can sometimes be moved to an attachment location "on the other side of the pivot".

Not to pick on you, but to educate others, this could have been avoided by test driving the boat, BEFORE purchasing it.

I doubt you have a LH gearcase, unless the seller installed one from a different motor to make a complete motor to sell.
I can't remember if Force even offered a LF model in 1996.

As almost always on the forum, several photos of the engine, and control box may help to sort this out.

Medford, WI
 

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The I/O engines themselves didn't run counter (which would be CCW) but the outdrives did, and were different in twin setups. Are you saying twin OBs had the same gear cases?
He clearly stated inboard, not I/O. I have a Mercruiser inboard that is reverse rotating. Also have one boat/engine that the transmission turns opposite of the other ,both engines rotate the same way in that setup. Yes ,you are correct about I/Os.
 

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He clearly stated inboard, not I/O. I have a Mercruiser inboard that is reverse rotating. Also have one boat/engine that the transmission turns opposite of the other ,both engines rotate the same way in that setup. Yes ,you are correct about I/Os.
He clearly stated inboard, and was clearly talking about an I/O. Post #19 clearly has a picture of a merc I/O lower unit, and an explanation of why simply running a counter prop on a standard gear case would not be a good idea.
 

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Mike, I was talking about an inboard, not an I/O. To my knowledge, I/O motors never ran CCW. They used counter rotating gearcases for CCW rotation. Post #19 to which you refer was not written by me.
 

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Mike, I was talking about an inboard, not an I/O. To my knowledge, I/O motors never ran CCW. They used counter rotating gearcases for CCW rotation. Post #19 to which you refer was not written by me.
I know... My post was trying to show why changing props to change direction in an O/B gear case might do damage if the o/b case had a similar design to the stern drive (less robust thrust bearing in reverse)
 

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OB gearcases and the lower portion of stern drive gearcases on Mercury/MerCruiser are nearly identical, for both CW and CCW models.

Johnson/Evinrude gearcases are very similar to Mercury. Not sure about Cobra and it's family members.

The CCW gearcases have a heavy duty thrust bearing behind the rear gear on the propshaft. CW gearcases have a thrust washer with some small, embedded roller bearings. These are not intended for high thrust operation.
 
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