Best 7000# cruiser?

superbenk

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This fall I upgraded my tow vehicle to a Nissan Titan with a Big Tow package capable of towing 9400#. This of course gets me thinking about what kind of boat I can tow with this setup :) I'd like to consider something that's realistically less than 7000# loaded so I have room in the truck to pack the family & some gear (ie, for camping). What kind of boat would I be looking for? What length and style? I like the thought of a small cruiser that'd be suitable for ~8 people or possibly 4 of us over the weekend.

I'm not in any hurry to buy something right now, just curious (and dreaming)...
 

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Re: Best 7000# cruiser?

when I bought my boat I thouht I would just keep it on the trailer and launch when ever I wanted- I was wrong.:mad:--wound up keeping her in a slip.

My truck has 8400lb tow rating and does fine on the hiway--even with locking differental have trouble getting traction pulling the boat outta the water. plus you are gonna need experianced help.

Watch your overhead clearance- 1st trip to gas station tore up my antenna.

I'm sure others will offer good advise but it is difficult.

good luck- I love my Wellcraft !
 

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Re: Best 7000# cruiser?

Finding a boat that'll sleep 4 for a weekend, and still be easily towable is a tall order. My 24' Chris Craft express tipped the scales (with trailer) at around 7500 lbs, and sleeping 4 aboard would've been pretty unpleasant.

There are some options if you have a couple of smallish kids. A Bayliner 2452 Classic has good room in it, as does a '90's Larson Hampton 25'. Those are 2 boats that stand out in terms of space utilization and live-ability relative to their size and weight. A run of the mill 24-25' express cruiser with full camper-back canvas might be an option for you, too. That makes it possible for a person or 2 to sleep in the cockpit.

Happy hunting :)
 

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Re: Best 7000# cruiser?

Look into the CDory or maybe even a Rosborough.

Not really what I had in mind. I have two young kids (5 & 8) that I think would be pretty bored in a C Dory or similar.

The Bayliner 2452 or similar seems like more the style I had in mind. I guess those are considered "pocket cruisers?"
 

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I have two young kids (5 & 8) that I think would be pretty bored in a C Dory or similar.

Heh, ok, maybe not... Wife just looked at the C Dory and kind of liked it (she likes all the amenities). She thought the kids would like that too. Guess they're more leisurely than I thought :confused:
 

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Re: Best 7000# cruiser?

Buying a bigger boat & trailer it too? ( cruiser ).

My wife and I just went through this all last summer of 2010.
We went from a 19? open bow to a 25? pocket cruiser.

We wanted a boat big enough to sleep on and handle tougher water to and from wherever.

We ended up with a Four Winns 248 VISTA. I?m 6? tall and can stand up in the V-birth cabin. It has microwave, bath / shower combo, small fridge, stove, sink, AC and we bought a small space heater for it.

At this size the fridge is the only item that runs on 12 volts. The rest works at the dock while plugged in. You?ll have to get a bigger boat if you want a generator.

The longer the boat, the wider the boat, and more weight. Remember, all US States have limits on how wide you can travel on the roads and freeways. Our boat comes in at around 7000 lbs. including the trailer. A larger boat has larger gas tanks and holding tanks. The lbs. can really add up.

Our trailer has two axils, but only one has brakes on it. I would go with brakes on both axils next time. The trailer weighed in around 950 lbs.

At this size, 25? most are only one motor, at the 30? size most have two motors. Somewhere between there you have a choice of one or two motors. Here is how we looked at it. We don?t go off shore very much at all, and where we usually boat has lots of tow boats and CG Aux. around. No ocean boating ever. One motor is ok for us.

If you go farther off shore and /or not many tow boats around, I?d go with two motors. You can always limp back home on one motor if needed to. Two motors will use more gas and adds more weight also. Each V-8 is around 800 lbs. to 1000 lbs. or so, I think.

Ours came with the small V-8, 270 HP. Most of our cruising is around 20 or 25 mph, or so. This works well for us and uses less gas. If you?re the type that likes more speed and the gas mileage does not matter as much, stay with one motor but get the middle V-8. If you like speed, horse power and have more money for gas, go with the largest V-8?s and go for two of them, and have some fun.

Our boat will do around 43 mph or so. Not all dealers work on all brands of motors. Make sure your favorite dealer can work on what motor and options you buy.

Go with the full camper canvas. Have the dealer put it on for you and see if you can stand up all the way to the back. Some models the camper top slops down in the back. If you can?t stand up back there it is wasted space. Make sure it has screens and large enough windows to see around good. One all the way across the front above the windshield. One on each side and a good size window across the back. Can you stand up and drive with the canvas completely on, and see everywhere you want to?

Our hatch up front has a screen as well as all side windows and the door to go into the cabin like your porch door at home. There is also a solid door to the cabin. On those nights where it is just the right temp where you don't need the AC or heat, it is nice to sleep with the screens keeping out the bugs. ( no camper canvas up at the time either ).

The seat in the aft cockpit is like a big ?C? shape. We have filler cousins to make it almost a queen size bed. I?ve sleep out there many times with the canvas on and windows open for a nice breeze in the night.

Under the cousins we can stash duffle bags, coolers, extra life jackets, camera bags, etc. The dogs love that big bed while cruising around. They can see everything, except to the front. Some times they go under the seat to get out of the sun or to take a nap without being bothered by us walking around. They think they will miss something as we walk by.

It will sleep 4 adults somewhat comfortably. The V-birth is narrow at one end, that is because the bow is sort of pointy in the front. Daa! The rear birth is really big, like a king size bed, except it has a low ceiling. You can just about sit up straight back there. Well, lay down, it is for sleeping you know, right? I have slept back there a few times also. It is just fine. Kids love it back there like a fort, or little house.

If you are buying used, go to any dealer and find the boat you want. You can add options to used boats most of the time also. Like AC, heat, stereo, TV etc. Check the boat out really well, pay and have it surveyed and you will know what you are buying better. Once you buy the boat, you can have your favorite dealer do the maintenance, add options, etc.

If you are buying new, check out the dealer really well first, then look at the boat closes to what you want. The same boat a year newer or older might have a different floor plan. Ask the dealer what else he can get from other dealers if what you want is not on the lot at the time your looking.

We bought our little boat new ( 19? ) at Marine Max. They are a chain of dealers with about 80 Marine Max dealers throughout the US. There is a corporate office to complain to if needed. We never had a need to do that. If you travel and have a problem, you may not have to go far to get it fixed.

Our big boat ( 25? ) we bought used, it is what we wanted, but we will not go back to that same dealer again. It is a one owner dealer, and they slipped in a crappy old trailer on us and did not fix the things they said they would. Hatch lock, radio, V-bed, etc. They did not answer our calls and no reply to e-mails. No corp. office to complain to. After the sale, they are done with us.

I said a lot, but as soon as I end this I will think of more tips on buying a bigger cruiser boat.

If you come up with more questions, e-mail them to me and I?ll try and give you answers.

Lucky Dogs 2 ?
 

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Re: Best 7000# cruiser?

Wow, great info all around! Seems like 24-25' is going to be the size I want. Seems manageable while still being decent sized.

Thanks for the info guys! Any other advice/experience about actually towing something that size would be handy too. Right now we have a small 18' closed bow (not a cuddy) as you can see in my sig. I'm sure adding 7' would make a huge difference when towing.
 

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Re: Best 7000# cruiser?

Lucky Dogs 2, have you actually slept more than you and your wife aboard the Four Winns? You didn't say what year yours is, so I looked up a 2001 in the Four Winns archives. That boat is almost identical dimensionally to the 24' Chris Craft I just traded up from.

In the C*C, I had to use the aft berth because the V-berth wasn't long enough for me to stretch out in (I'm 5' 9"). The aft berth was a royal PITA to get in and out of. The head was too cramped for me to use in a (ahem) 'sitting position'.

My advice to the OP is to check out a bunch of different boat styles in the 24-25' range.

My .02
 

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Re: Best 7000# cruiser?

FWIW, I'm the tallest in my family at 5'8" (roughly) & ~190 lbs.

What's it like towing a 24-25' boat after having towed a 18-19'? Is it a dramatic difference, or not much to worry about?
 

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The length won't be much of a concern aside from when manuevering in tight spaces. The extra weight will be the real wake-up call. You will just need to pay more attention to how loaded down the truck is, and leave some more room for stopping. You WILL need a trailer brake controller on your vehicle if you don't already have one.
 

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Re: Best 7000# cruiser?

Although I have not towed a smaller boat, I have towed 25-27'ers. I prefer the longer trailer vs the shorter. It's the width, height and weight that get you. I tow car trailers all the time, and found the boat trailer narrower at the road (easier to keep in the lane) but up high is where the width is. The boat will be 8-8.5' at or above the roof of the truck, so keep an eye on trees and things in the road.

The weight will be the biggest change. Going from a 3500 lb set up, to nearly double that will change the way the vehicle tows. It takes some getting used to, but shouldn't be an issue.

Launching will be tougher, but far from impossible.

Personally for a young family a 24-25' pocket cruiser is a good choice. easily trailerable, and behind a 1/2 ton shouldn't be a problem. Sleeping for 4, an enclosed head, although cramped, it is a true head. The galley should have the minimum, firdge, sink, stove. Most of your time will be spent above decks, but when below it should be okay with little kids. They will probably spend all their time in the "cave" or aft cabin anyway!
 

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If you are interested in used boats, one like my 2000 Regal 2550 LSC may meet your needs. It's a 25 foot cuddy cabin that sleeps 2 adults and 2 kids comfortably and weighs in at 7400 lbs, on the trailer, fully loaded, when equipped with a big block engine and a Bravo 3 drive.

I find it pretty easy to tow with my Durango, even though it's well over the rated towing capacity. I can launch and retrieve the boat solo with no problems and I store it on the trailer so launching and retrieving is a routine event.

It has more cockpit space than a typical 25 foot "cruiser", so for day use, it's excellent for 8 to 10 people. With the full camper canvas, it offers a huge amount of useable space when weather turns nasty. My family of four has spent many comfortable weekends aboard the boat. The fridge is in the cockpit, as is a small sink and a food prep counter. It makes prefect sense if the plan is to grill food and eat at anchor.

Unlike a typical 25' cruiser, the boat has 24 degrees of deadrise and a stepped hull. It has an excellent ride in choppy water and will kiss a real (GPS) 50 MPH with a light load. I've hit 53 with a very light load on a cool day.

Regal offered basically the same boat design in a 26 footer too. It's called the 2650 LSC. It has a more modern cockpit and a fiberglass lined cabin, rather than the carpet mine has. Both the 2550 and 2650 have fiberglass lined, self-bailing cockpits with snap-in carpet.
 

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Sorry about that . . .

It is a 2004, 248 Vista.
They changed the floor plan in 2007 I think.
The 2006 is close to ours but a little different.

Everyone looks at it as a 26' because of the swim platform and the bow anchor.

To go down into our cabin, the doorway is on the left, port side, not the center like most boats we saw. This gives you more room in the aft, berth I think. I liked the term, "the Cave" for the aft birth.

We can go up on the bow with the cabin door in open or closed position.

We had another couple stay overnight with us. We gave them the v-birth for them to be more comfy. We did not have any problem back there. It could play on your mind a little, if you don't like low ceilings.

It does not seem to bother kids at all.
( we don't have any kids of our own. )

If you would like to see photos of our boat,
PM me and I'll send you some.

Lucky Dogs 2
 
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Re: Best 7000# cruiser?

Sorry about that . . .

It is a 2004, 248 Vista.
They changed the floor plan in 2007 I think.
The 2006 is close to ours but a little different.

Everyone looks at it as a 26' because of the swim platform and the bow anchor.

To go down into our cabin, the doorway is on the left, port side, not the center like most boats we saw. This gives you more room in the aft, berth I think. I liked the term, "the Cave" for the aft birth.

We can go up on the bow with the cabin door in open or closed position.

We had another couple stay overnight with us. We gave them the v-birth for them to be more comfy. We did not have any problem back there. It could play on your mind a little, if you don't like low ceilings.

It does not seem to bother kids at all.
( we don't have any kids of our own. )

I'm not arguing that you can sleep more than 2, but how often would you want to? My point is really that the modern 'cocktail cruisers' have given up a lot of interior room to swoopy styling. Take a look at a real 'cabin cruiser' like the Bayliner Classic I mentioned above, or the Larson Hampton/San Marino models. Or the C-Dory mentioned in another post.

If I had a family and wanted to spend weekends on the water, I wouldn't be looking at modern express cruisers like your Vista, my C*C, Larson Cabrios, etc, etc

That's why I suggested the OP look at a bunch of different boat styles in that length. Many are much more family friendly than our 2.

My .02
 
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