beginning prop research

stubbsboogie

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Hey guys Merry Christmas!

I am starting to look for a new prop for my boat. Just starting to get opinions ect.
Here is my info.

Boat- 2006 Rinker Captiva 192
Merc 4.3lcarb, Alpha one gen II
190 HP
OEM 21p aluminum (not sure the diameter)
Rpm WOT 4800
Speed WOT 48-49 GPS depending on current in the river.

I know that these numbers are pretty much dead on for the boat/motor/drive but...
I think it is a bit slow out of the hole with pretty high bow rise.
I have spoken with John at Nauticus and have ordered smart tabs SX from them.
Alot of guys here and other places,helping me out with this have suggested I look at changing props at the same time. Sounds like a good idea to me.

So is it possible to keep my top end speed and improve my hole shot, I know the general theries of up pitch and down pitch but could use some advise on how to get the best results for my set up.

Oh and I am definatly going to use SS because there is alot of sand rocks ect where we boat and the Alum props get chewed up faster than SS.

Thanks in advance guys.
 

steelespike

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Re: beginning prop research

Do one or the other first then test before doing the next.
Done right the smart tabs will improve hole shot,ability to stay on plane,reduce no wake speed wander and improve handling.
 

TilliamWe

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Re: beginning prop research

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So is it possible to keep my top end speed and improve my hole shot...

Probably not, with a prop change.

As stated above, try the smart tabs first, then experiment with props, if you still aren't happy.
 

stubbsboogie

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Re: beginning prop research

OK I can wait. Was just starting to gather some information. I will get the tabs in for christmas and install them then come back if I need anymore modifications.
Thanks guys merry Christmas
 

Tig

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Re: beginning prop research

I agree that one thing should be done at a time.
I'm also wondering if your motor is set properly on the transom. Lower end too deep can cause some of the things you are trying to fix.
 

Tacklewasher

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Re: beginning prop research

I agree that one thing should be done at a time.
I'm also wondering if your motor is set properly on the transom. Lower end too deep can cause some of the things you are trying to fix.

I/O. No adjustment possible.
 

Don S

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Re: beginning prop research

Do you use the trim function properly, full down (or maybe almost full down) to start and trim up as boat starts to plane and pick up speed. Loading of the boat can also have a lot to do with it. If you have a lot of weight (People) in the back, it's going to be a lot harder to plane out than if you have some weight up front.
Props aren't the only thing that can cause your problem, and who knows for sure, you may be getting on plane as fast as possible with that boat.
You have to learn to use all the controls (drive trim, trim tabs, weight adjustment, etc.) all at the same time if you want to make it get on plane quickly and run 50 mph at the same time.
That or have a lot more engine for a 19 ft. boat.
 

hwsiii

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Re: beginning prop research

You also might try reading this for a better understanding of changing props for better performance, and this one for the major differences between aluminum props and stainless steel.

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=366160

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=365653

Stubbs, if the numbers for WOT speed and RPM are actual then your prop slip is at 9%, and it will be very hard to find a prop with less prop slip, assuming your gear ratio is 1.81:1, please verify this. BUT if your speed is from a mechanical means other than GPS you need to get a GPS speed running in 180 degree different directions to account for wind and tides.

I will try to help you as much as I can but without more information no one can help you, and I will tell you I need more information than anyone else. But if you would like my help fill this form out and I will help you as much as humanly possible, if you would prefer to not go to this much trouble there are other people who will gladly help you. My expectations are that you are willing to expend as much time and energy as I will to find a better prop for your boat.

Just copy this form to your computer and paste it into a word processing program and fill it out, then paste it into your post.

Iboats Boat and Motor Info

1. Year, make and model of boat

2. Length, width and base weight of boat, look for boat decal on back of boat

2a.What is the maximum recommended HP for your boat

3. Number of people and gallons of gas normally on boat

4. What do you use the boat for

5. Is it a Deep Vee and if so how many degrees of Deadrise

6. Year, manufacturer and model of motor

7. HP and gear ratio of outdrive IMPORTANT
If you don?t know the gear ratio, you need to pull the plugs out of the motor and put a piece of tape across the prop and the lower unit and then cut it between the prop and the housing then do the same thing on the flywheel and turn the motor until the tape lines up with each other on the prop, it is easier if two people do this, so one can watch the prop while the other counts the revolutions of the motor

8. Manufacturer?s recommended Wide Open Throttle (WOT) range

9. Anti-ventilation Plate height above the bottom of the transom of boat if it is an outboard in inches, use a straight edge or a board under the keel and sticking out to the anti ventilation plate for a reference, and take about 4 pictures for us to see.

AntiventilationPlateStraightEdge-2.jpg


10. Is it a bass boat or does it have a pad bottom

11. Does it have a hydrafoil, dolefin, whale tail or trim tabs

12. Manufacturer, model, diameter, pitch, number of blades and whether SS or aluminum props.
IMPORTANT
1.
2.
3.

13. WOT RPM and speed from your current prop and how much gas and how many people were in the boat for the test data and is the speed by GPS. Make sure you trim the prop up until it starts ventilating and then just trim in until it quits ventilating. If you do not have a tach you can buy a Tiny Tach for less than $ 50
RPM ___________ Speed (GPS)___________ No. of people ____________ Gal. Gas ________

14. Are you at sea level or a higher elevation, give us the elevation in feet __________

15. Has your motor been tuned up lately and have you checked that the carburetor butterfly is opening all the way by only using the control on the console, checked compression, looked at the plugs and checked spark, is the bottom of the boat clean and barnacle free, and have you checked the Tachometer against a mechanics tach, all of the foregoing could be the reason your prop is not attaining full RPM.

16. How long has this prop been on the boat and why, at this time, do you think it is the wrong prop.

17. Does the prop show any damage that you can see

18. What problems are you trying to cure or what are you looking for the boat to do that it is not doing the way you think it should or to your expectations

19. If you are trying to attain a better cruising speed and fuel savings or trying to attain a faster speed I will want you to take your boat and run it with 1 or 2 people and give me the RPM and speed readings starting at 3,000 RPM in 500 RPM increments all the way to WOT.
1. 3000 RPM
2. 3500 RPM
3. 4000 RPM
4. 4500 RPM
5. 5000 RPM
6. 5500 RPM
7. 6000 RPM

REMEMBER, The prop I recommend will be NO better than the information you give me.​

The only thing I ask of you is to come back and give me a report of WOT RPM and speed for my database.


H
 

Bondo

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Re: beginning prop research

Oh and I am definatly going to use SS because there is alot of sand rocks ect where we boat and the Alum props get chewed up faster than SS.

Ayuh,... For that reason alone,... Stick with Aluminum,...

Switching to SS will only transfer the prop strikes to the drive Gears...
Aluminum Props are much Cheaper,+ Easier to change than Outdrive Gears...
 
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