Assistance with 86 26'

sdg

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AHA! do you know if it was called a walkaround or a cubbey cabin, or?

I tried to look this thing up to no success. Seems like a good price but you never know, I am new to Boating, never owend a boat but always wanted to.

What should I look for etc, any help would be great.

SDG
 

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this boat has many new parts, new prop,many new drive bearings,seals and much more,i have over $2000 invested in new parts for this boat just in the past year,

Ayuh,...

He also conveniently didn't mention Who's drive it is....

My Guess is,... It's an OMC,.... That said,.. You Don't want it...
 

sdg

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Sorry, can you please put into laymen terms? OMC, whos drive it is?

Not up to speed on this lingo yet.
 

sdg

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Bump!

Can anyone explain what this means below, would like to know what questions to ask and what the below comment means "OMC" and the "who's drive it is"

Ayuh,...

He also conveniently didn't mention Who's drive it is....

My Guess is,... It's an OMC,.... That said,.. You Don't want it...
 

H8tank

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OMC simply represent the manufacturer of the lower unit, the part that actually sticks out the back and spins the propeller. The engine itself is either a GM or Ford based engine. OMC or Outboard Motor Company, was purchased by volvo in the early 90's, and they ceased production of 'OMC' outdrives, volvo has their own outdrives they sell currently.

It is very popular to degrade, and warn against owning an OMC, most of these people have probably never owned one. (They simply perpetuate the idea OMC = bad) I have, and currently tens of thousands of people around the globe do also. Sure not every marine repair facility has people who know how to properly service them, but they are very sturdy, and if properly taken care of can last a long, long time. ANY boat from the mid 80's needs to be inspected thoughly, a Marine Survey is recommended. I would be very careful, unless you are a very handy around marine engines, and want a project to spend lots and lots of time and money on.

What are you wanting to use your boat for?
 

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that's diving into the deep end of the pool for your first boat. lots of systems to rehab....water, waste, galley appliances, etc...all in addition to the usual worries of rotten stringers/transom, engine condition, drive, etc.

the pile of new parts concerns me. if they're on the boat, they aren't new. if there's a pile of them laying around...why?

are you looking to buy a boat to use or to work on as a project?
 

H8tank

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lol, that said, your add states:

"1986 Rinken mercruiser, 5.7 gm motor"

So no OMC at all, it is a GM Motor with a Mercruiser Outdrive, a competitor to Volvo and OMC, and makes a fine drive.

I would not be interested in this boat, I would be worried about rotten wood throughout.
 

sdg

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Hey guys!

Thanks for all this info! this is great!

My wife and wanted something that would be a pleasure cruiser, something we could spend all day/all night on. We would like something that I could fish on, she could sunbathe (sun goddess), im sure there are a few of those around. Something we could entertain 4-6 people.

We live about 35-40miles away from the water, so we wanted something that we would not have to stop every few hrs to enjoy. or go for the day and have to go dock to have a bite or bathroom etc.

Am I crazy for looking at this?

Also, I thought this thing was fiberglass and not wood? this is why i wanted to find some info on this puppy to determine just what it was.

From the pics, it appears as though it may need some paint but I cant tell for sure, how much do you think a surveyer would cost? do they work in the winter months. Which brings me to another question, how do you check something out that is out of the water and is drydocked/winterized?

any other things you can throw my way would help.

Thanks a bunch.

Oh, and wanted something for the lakes not a river for sure.

SDG
 

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older boats (pre-1995 or so, depending on the manufacturer) were built with fiberglass encapsulated wood as the main support under the deck (floor). the wood rots over the years leaving a big, messy rebuild job.

your wish list isn't unusual. the boat design you're looking at isn't bad, it's just the age and condition of the boat really sounds like it needs an overhaul.

a surveyor will work if he wants to eat. i wouldn't buy a boat without being able to test drive it on the water. doesn't matter what time of year it is. if you've got a seller saying you don't need to test drive it, run the other way. no reasonable seller would ever say that. someone selling a good boat will want to show you what they have.

that said, sometimes weather doesn't help. in these cases, you can make the contract contingent upon a satisfactory sea-trial at a later date. don't worry about those details until you find something you want.

as a first time buyer, it could very well be worth your while to spend more on a more reliable boat. most people start with a smaller boat and work their way up to something like this....not that you have to though. it just makes the learning curve a little less steep.

all that said, it can be done. alot depends on your time and abilities/desire to work on it yourself. paying mechanics to work on boats this old is a losing proposition.

you really want to find someone that bought a new boat and needs to make room by selling the old one. not something that's been collecting leaves on the side of the house for years.
 

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I agree with Salty as for it being a first boat. I went from a 20' to a 27'. Before the 20'er, I had several others smaller in length. The way a boat handles compared to a land based vehicle is completely different animals in handling. Wind and currents affect larger boats than smaller ones. Smaller boats don't do near the damage when coming in contact with docks/piers. Bigger boats do a considerable amount of damage due to the weight that goes with their size. Sorta like dropping a tac hammer on your foot compared to a 12 lb sledge.

Another thing that hasn't been mentioned is the trailer. In the pics, I didn't see any nor did the ad say it had one. Trailers for that size boat in good shape will cost a great deal more. Then there is the tow vehicle, do you have one with enough capacity to pull it? Plus another wrench to toss at you is, "how much experience do you have at pulling a trailer?" My 27'er pulls okay, but uses up the horsepower of my tow. I also have the 5.7 in mine and it is severely underpowered due to its size and weight.

The boat your wanting to meet your needs for beginning,,,,I would say you should be able to find something in the 24' range. While still being large for starting out, it is a bit less expensive to maintain. Sorry, I didn't mean to rain on your plans, but offering advice from my own experience.
 

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OMC simply represent the manufacturer of the lower unit, the part that actually sticks out the back and spins the propeller. The engine itself is either a GM or Ford based engine. OMC or Outboard Motor Company, was purchased by volvo in the early 90's, and they ceased production of 'OMC' outdrives, volvo has their own outdrives they sell currently.

It is very popular to degrade, and warn against owning an OMC, most of these people have probably never owned one. (They simply perpetuate the idea OMC = bad) I have, and currently tens of thousands of people around the globe do also. Sure not every marine repair facility has people who know how to properly service them, but they are very sturdy, and if properly taken care of can last a long, long time.

Ayuh,... For the Record,....

Just because you Have an OMC,...
Sure as 'ell doesn't mean you should be encouraging a Newbie Boater to even Think of buying 1...

Just because You're in Denial, that the company that built your drive has been DEAD for over 10 Years now....

This has Nothing to do with Bashing OMCs, nor My knowledge about them...

The Responsible thing to do is to encourage Newbie boaters,+ inform them of the reasonably expected results of buying a particular boat...
Encouraging a Newbie to buy a boat that's destined to be a Pain in the Arse,....
Only results in Former Boaters who think All of Us boaters are just plain NUTS....


Btw,... I missed the Mercruiser in the ad,...
And,..
If it were an OMC, I believe an 86 would be the dreaded Stringer Drive...
 

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with regards to the towing question, yes we have 2 vehicles to tow with, both 4 wheel drive both 8k tow capacity, but from experiance of towing a large camper/trailer the 8k seems like it should b rated at 6k.

But i do believe the towing is not an issue. Next the trailer, from what seller said there is none, i would have to find one, what you all think somethin like this would cost?1-2k for a decent used one?

Is there a way to get under to check the wood frame for rott?

Anyone know of a surveyer in the toledo ohio area?

sdg
 

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I also forgot to mention we do have alot of friends that own boats, my wifes boss is an advid boater who says they could help us if we decide to go ahead with it.

But in most part i think the best thing to do is get a surveyer out there, only thing is i know this seller wants and needs money fast, and for 2500 i bet i can nab this thing.

But on the other hand do not want to buy a 2500 boat anchor!

SDG
 

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If it were an OMC, I believe an 86 would be the dreaded Stringer Drive...

Plenty of Cobra's in 1986. I don't know what I am in 'denial' about. There are some gem boats out there sitting in some little old mans garage, and if someone passed by one because they thought the OMC drive was going to give their family cancer, I don't think that helps them.

Besides, Google knows: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Buy+OMC&word2=Buy+Mercruiser :)

I really don't think the brand of outdrive is what this boat buyer should be worried about. I think the 'project boat' he wants to enjoy this summer is something he should worry about.

Before you consider a surveyor, I'd go take a look at it. I think you will be surprised what an 'excellent condition' this boat is.
 

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I also forgot to mention we do have alot of friends that own boats, my wifes boss is an advid boater who says they could help us if we decide to go ahead with it.

But in most part i think the best thing to do is get a surveyer out there, only thing is i know this seller wants and needs money fast, and for 2500 i bet i can nab this thing.

But on the other hand do not want to buy a 2500 boat anchor!

SDG

i think your last sentance says it all. go look and if it looks ok then get a surveyer. head the advice all ready given. if you see OMC run.
most of all keep in the back of your mind you could be buying a $2500 hole in the water that can eat all the $$$ you can throw in it
 

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do yourself a favor, and get a boat with either a mercruiser, or better yet, a volvo outdrive system. minimum power for that boat is 5.0 or 5.7 L

Buying a boat

1st you need to decide what you want to use it for, fishing, cruising, or water sports.

2nd how many people adults, children you want on board of the average outing.

3rd outboard, inboard-outboard, or inboard power plant.

4th Budget, what you want to pay, and what you are willing to pay, when you find
Exactly what you want.

You can hire a marine surveyor, to inspect the boat, or you can do it yourself.

You are mainly looking for soft spots in the deck, transom, cracks, all signs of a rotten, under frame. You walk all over the deck, that a mallot, or hammer with wooden handle, using handle, tap all over the transom, a shape rap is good solid base, a thud, is questionable base.

The motor should be clean, no spots where the paint is discolored, or pealing from heat, having run hot. (This part for outboard motors Compression should be atleast 100psi, and within 10% of each other,)
Spark on all cylinders, good pee stream, check lower unit for water in oil.

The overall condition of the boat will tell you a lot, as to how it has been maintained.
boat motor combo, A 30 year old may be in better condition, than a 3 year old.


you will need a tandem axle trailer, of proper lenght, $1,500-2,500 range. then you have to consider bearings and tire conditions.
 

sdg

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wow thanks for all the advise.

suppose to see this thing tomorrow, with the frigid weather being in the teens can i still ping, pound, tap etc with out having the fiberglass crack?

one more thing, does anyone know a web site that i can go to to find some specs on this thing, would like to find out if something has been modified etc.

sdg
 

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take a look at everything around you. someone who can't bother to keep a tidy yard probably can't bother with things like proper maintenance.

how a 20 year old boat was treated is alot more important than who made it, usually.
 
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