Antifreeze barrel

brad_alexander

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So I want to run antifreeze through out my engine. What is the best way? I hear a tupper ware container/ barrel full of anti freeze. Anyone done this? I have a 7.4 Volvo Penta. How much is required? How much will it take?
 

Maclin

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Re: Antifreeze barrel

The best way is to drain the block, then remove thermostat housing and pour 50/50 mix in until it comes out the drain plugs, plug them back up and fill it up.

May I ask what is your goal in this effort?
 

Silly Seville

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Re: Antifreeze barrel

Welcome to iboats.

Do a search on the topic. This has been discussed ad nauseam. Unless your powertrain manufacturer specifically recommends introducing antifreeze into your engine for winterization purposes, I would just drain it and forget it.

Oh, and put your boat/driveline spec's in your signature...you will get more responses that way.
 

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Re: Antifreeze barrel

So I want to run antifreeze through out my engine. What is the best way? I hear a tupper ware container/ barrel full of anti freeze. Anyone done this? I have a 7.4 Volvo Penta. How much is required? How much will it take?

Nope, that ain't the way to do it,...
As stated above, the 1st step in winterizin' is Draining the water out of Everything...
Yer method leads to the many Freeze Cracked blocks We read about every Spring...
 

RogersJetboat454

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Re: Antifreeze barrel

So even with a heat exchanger you have to drain then?

Providing the heat exchanger has the correct 50/50 mix of glycol based antifreeze and water, then no, the heat exchanger does not need to be drained. The block will be filled with that antifreeze as well, so it will not need to be drained either.

What needs to be drained is the raw water side of the system. If we knew what year/model engine you have, we could get detail specific and possibly get you a link to a free PDF download of the factory service manual.

In general though, the manifolds need to be drained, hoses associated with the raw water need to be drained, and the heat exchanger may need to be drained. If after you drain them you still desire putting in antifreeze, you would use a non-toxic RV (pink stuff) antifreeze to fill the raw water side. There is a good number of us how ever that just prefer to drain the water and thats it. Air doesn't freeze. ;)
 

brad_alexander

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Re: Antifreeze barrel

It is a 94 7.4 Volvo Penta in a Monterey 276. Is there a manual I can download to find out where I need ot unplug and drain. I like the draining idea more than the antifreeze idea.
 

brad_alexander

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Re: Antifreeze barrel

OK, I looked all day for a pdf service manual and I cannot find one.

7.4GLPMDM is the engine. I need to know the procedure to get the water out. How many cocks are there? Where are they? Unplug all hoses and drain then fill with AF??

Can anyone help me? Will trade computer knowledge! :)
 

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Providing the heat exchanger has the correct 50/50 mix of glycol based antifreeze and water, then no, the heat exchanger does not need to be drained. The block will be filled with that antifreeze as well, so it will not need to be drained either.

What needs to be drained is the raw water side of the system.

Ayuh,... What about the raw water side of the heat exchanger,..?? ;) :D
Ya gotta drain it, or pull an endcap off it,...
 

brad_alexander

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Re: Antifreeze barrel

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OK fellas, I pulled all the hoses, pulled the plug on the heat exchanger and drained all the water, Hopefully gravity did all needed?

Then being parnoid i put a funnel in the top hose and back filled the exhast/water out, then filled the intake way with all it would take of AF. Then i ran it until no more came out. In the AM (got dark and out at the cabin) I will remove the hoses again and drain all the AF out of the heat exchanger, fog the engine and leave the hoses off.

Does this seem like it will work. Any concerns doing it this way?
 

jerryjerry05

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Re: Antifreeze barrel

Remember the antifreeze is illegal in a lot of places to winterize a boat.
Something about it KILLING the fish etc.
The pink stuff works and it cheaper than AF.
After you drain and fill.Re-hook everything.The gremlins somehow manage to get in and take stuff.
Never leave the plugs out.The holes rust and make it hard to go back in.
If you leave it together,all you have to do is start in the springtime.

If you leave it without any liquids it actually rusts faster.The water fresh or salt(salts worse) starts the corrosion.Air does it faster.J
 

wellcraft19

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Re: Antifreeze barrel

Brad,
Where are you (state/region)?

PM me your e-mail address and I can mail you the Volvo Penta official winterizing guide (too large for upload here on iBoats, over a 1MB), but even as this has been debated over and over, I'll add what I do:
I "run" the engine on muffs until it at least gets gets lukewarm, then (after stopping) disconnect the hose from the transom shield, and connect a hose to a bucket filled with AF (in my case diluted pre-mix since we never see very cold temps). Then start up engine again and run it until AF is liberally coming out the exhaust/low pressure port on the lower end of the transom shield.

I prefer to have AF with rust inhibitors in the raw water circuit then pure air and moisture. The internal (fresh water side) coolant system is filled with AF (and should be changed on regular basis) so that should not be an issue.

The challenge is of course what do you do with fogging the engine, since you really can't run it more without "draining" the AF. I fog each cylinder without the plug and then manually turn it over a few times.

Or, one year I ran it until warm, fogged it, and then removed the impeller and pumped AF in via the same hose (the one from the transom shield). In my view, both methods work, the latter one maybe a bit better (but you have to mess with the impeller - not a bad thing since leaving it out over the winter is likely not going to hurt it as long as you don't leave it in the sun). When spring arrives, you have an impeller to inspect and put in, or replace + gaskets.

I once, due to death in the family and following urgent travel to Michigan, failed to winterize in time. Temps here dropped to about 14F the 5 nights we were gone gone and I was madder than hell...:mad:
When spring came, time to start, it leaked like.... But luckily it was only a connection (a push-in connection) to the oil cooler than had been "pushed out" by the freeze. Amazed and grateful that was the only "result, no cracked block, no cracked oil cooler, no cracked heat exchanger, etc.

I learned my lesson and it is always time to winterize long BEFORE its get too ugly (=no longer fun) to fiddle with water out in the drive way.
 

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Re: Antifreeze barrel

I "run" the engine on muffs until it at least gets gets lukewarm, then (after stopping) disconnect the hose from the transom shield, and connect a hose to a bucket filled with AF (in my case diluted pre-mix since we never see very cold temps). Then start up engine again and run it until AF is liberally coming out the exhaust/low pressure port on the lower end of the transom shield.

Ayuh,... Again, it's miraculous ya haven't frozen yer block, doin' that without DRAININ' it 1st...

If the t-stat ain't open, yer just pumpin' it through the manifolds...
If the t-stat Is open, it usually closes as soon as the cooler antifreeze hits it...

For you guys who insist on antifreeze,..
Ya Still gotta DRAIN it 1st...
 

wellcraft19

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Re: Antifreeze barrel

Bond-o,

Maybe I forgot to mention, but it is a closed cooling system, so the thermostat is always "bundled" in anti-freeze :)

But, I am as surprised as you that I did not have some serious damage after those days back in December of 2008.
 

Bondo

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Re: Antifreeze barrel

Bond-o,

Maybe I forgot to mention, but it is a closed cooling system, so the thermostat is always "bundled" in anti-freeze :)

But, I am as surprised as you that I did not have some serious damage after those days back in December of 2008.

Ayuh,... That's a pretty important detail...
 
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