Another winterizing question

wildman

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Ok, I ran the engine on muffs, got it warmed up (I think) then ran the antifreeze into the muffs till it was coming out of the exhaust (PINK). I then opened the drains(2)on the block pink stuff came out, and then the risers pink stuff came out.. Am I good to go with the antifreeze? I am not 100% sure if the thermostat opened..<br /><br />I have a mercruiser 5.7 with alpha I.<br /><br />THanks in advance.
 

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Re: Another winterizing question

i dont no if your good to go but you spilled a lot of toxic pink stuff into your yard (read the fine print on the back were it says go to hospital if swallowed)<br /><br />your safe if you<br />drain both manifolds<br />both riser/elbows <br />both sides of block<br />remove lower hose on water pump and drain<br />remove power steering cooling hoses and drain cooler <br />and any other hose that my be on special things on your boat<br /><br />and empty motor is a safe motor<br /><br />tommays
 

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Re: Another winterizing question

I hate to start this all over again I personally don't like to hear of anyone using antifreeze I think it bad for the water quality, and RV antifreeze don't have any anti rust additives [but I guess I have not had any blocks rust out lately] you seem to know how to drain the engine why do you put antifreeze in it.--bob
 

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Re: Another winterizing question

1. The anit-freeze it is MARINE ANTIFREEZE (PINK) claims to be no toxic..<br />2. Corrosion resistance.
 

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but I guess I have not had any blocks rust out lately.Iam patiently waiting for one to rust out. :) <br /><br />Fact is I have two 355 Chevy blocks waiting for rebuild, that are in big plastic bags. They are sitting on a shelf in my shop and they have some surface rust on them.<br />I have never used any type of anti-freeze, and as Bondo said.....Dry blocks don't freeze. :)
 

wildman

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Re: Another winterizing question

So, back to my original question....<br />If I did all that... SHOULD I be ok?<br />Not taking into account that a dry block wont freeze....
 

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Re: Another winterizing question

Well WIldMan,<br />You didn't mention wether you drained the 2 Block Drains.......... <br />1 just ahead of the starter,+ 1 just ahead of the oil filter mount... <br />Just above where the engine block turns into oil pan......<br /><br />Good Luck...
 

wildman

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Bondo: Thanks for the response. I didnt drain them Just opened them to verify pink was coming out. Appreciate the help
 

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Re: Another winterizing question

Sounds like your engine should be protected. I think you chose the right way to do it. And for the Enviromentalist people that come out of the woodwork everytime someone discusses anti-freeze, why do you always jump to the conclusion that people are "spilling this all over their yard" ?
 

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because he ran it out he exaust were do you think it went and were do you think it will go in the spring when its flushed out<br />
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this is a camco add right by the water<br /><br />i am not an enviro nut but dont like to see people pretend its non toxic and i object because there are ways that take no more time to make a motor freeze safe with zero inviro inpact<br /><br />i work in a soap/personal care plant we make things you take home and use in the shower yet we have a large list of items that must be flushed into waste drums and hauled away so we dont damage the enviro so i find it hard to go home an not bother to follow the rules i have to follow at work<br /><br />i would hope people would learn from the many ways spilled chemicals have affected us such as not being able to eat many fish saftely and try not to repeate the mistake<br />tommays
 

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tommays:<br /><br />you know what is great about this country, is something called freedom.... And each and every person has their right to personal choice. I would appreciate YOU not using this forum and Mainly my post to stand on your soap box. I came here looking for help with winterizing, not looking for a lecture from someone about the rights and wrongs of using antifreeze.<br /><br />AND #2 YOU DO NOT Know where the antifreeze that I used went! For your information I work in a shop where all of our waste products ie(OIL,ANTIFREEZE, TRANS FLUIDS,ETC) are stored in a waste tank and shipped off to be recyled....<br />also! Heres the MSDS Sheet on it... READ IT<br /><br /> http://www.peakantifreeze.com/msds/pkrvmarine_msds.pdf <br /><br />says nothing about going to the hospital... But I guess if you are dumb enough to drink a gallon of it then so be it...<br /><br />So GET A LIFE!! or go find a green peace demonstration to join....<br /><br /><br />WATERONE AND BONDO... Thanks again for your help
 

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Re: Another winterizing question

I find it strange that some people are so concerned about the antifreeze thing. If they are so worried , why are they boating at all? Where do they think the exhaust from their boats go? Most boats dump the exhaust fumes right into the water. Just something to think about guys.
 

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I used the anti-freeze this year with the camco flusher tommays has pictured above. <br /><br />I don't know if I feel comfortable that all the water would drain out even if I did open everything up. <br /><br />How much water would there need to be in an engine to actually cause damage? <br /><br />I think one of the reasons people use the anti-freeze is because they have so much time and money invested in there boats they don't want anything to happen to them. The word Anti-freeze is what makes me want to use it. If I knew for a fact that the engine would not freeze and crack I would forgo the anti-freeze. But motors as in life, there are no guarantees. <br /><br />Maybe you could educate all of us a little better in the finer points of storing without anti-freeze.<br /><br />I am open to new ideas anyday. Thats what we are here for. ;) :D
 

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MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET <br />PRODUCT IDENTITY: PEAK. RV & MARINE ANTIFREEZE <br />1. SUPPLIER <br />OLD WORLD INDUSTRIES, INC. <br />4065 COMMERCIAL AVENUE <br />NORTHBROOK, ILLINOIS 60062 <br />PHONE: 847-559-2000 <br />EMERGENCY PHONE: 1-800-424-9300 (CHEMTREC) <br />.08 68°F <br />2. INGREDIENTS <br />Vapor Pressure mm Hg@ Temp.. <br />Material CAS# % BY WT. <br />Propylene Glycol 57-55-6 >25 <30 <br />Additives N/A <.001 <br /><br /><br />ingestion may cause central nervous system effects. <br /><br />4. FIRST AID MEASURES <br />Ensure physician has access to this MSDS. <br /> Get medical attention as soon as possible. Obtain medical attention if pain, blinking, tears or <br /><br />redness persist.<br /> <br />Obtain emergency medical attention. <br /><br />Notify authorities if liquid enters <br />sewers/public waters. <br /><br />PEAK RV & Marine Antifreeze 6. ACCIDENTAL RELEASE MEASURES <br />Steps To Be Taken In Case Material Is Released Or Spilled: Prevent flow to sewers and public waters <br /><br />as it may contaminate said water. Restrict water usage to prevent slip/fall hazard. Soak up small <br /><br />spills with inert solids. Dike and recover large land spills. Notify appropriate authorities if <br /><br />product enters any waterway. <br /><br />the MSDS doesent not make me feel warm and fuzy and its better than prestone no-tox<br /><br /><br />your safe if you<br />drain both manifolds<br />both riser/elbows <br />both sides of block<br />remove lower hose on water pump and drain<br />remove power steering cooling hoses and drain cooler <br />and any other hose that my be on special things on your boat<br /><br />and empty motor is a safe motor<br /><br />i guess the 7 steps i gave to saftely drain the motor at no cost were not helpfull and i am free to post the facts just as you are to do what ever you want<br /><br /><br />there was a big test done out west on the effects of boats on the water which banned all 2 cycle motors permently and the enviro people found that 4 cycle boats caused no problems .<br /><br />the problem they did find was the safe but now banned BTME had bound it self to the plant life and become part of the food chain<br /><br />tommays
 

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Sounds good but there is no guarantee there. You do know how much a motor costs right?<br /><br />Plus you didn't answer how much water would there need to be in an engine to actually cause damage?<br /><br />You got to understand that the majority of people including myself are very concious of the enviroment. I don't want to do anything to hurt it or anyone who lives in it. <br /><br />Just looking for answers. :confused:
 

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well i no that DON S who works out of alaska and BONDO who lives in upstate ny were it goes to -30 every winter and my self will tell you the same thing <br /><br />that we drain the motors and store them without damage they were built to be drained<br /><br />if somebody wants to fill the motor with antifreeze drain and collect it in the spring and then flush and collect all the flush water that would be fine but we know that 99% are not going to bother collecting the flush water<br /><br />tommays
 

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Good Point. <br /><br />Is there and answer to how much water would there need to be in an engine to actually cause damage?
 

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enough water has to be there to from a block that has no were to go<br /><br />even if you pour in antifreeze you have no way to verifey the mix and all the red/pink ones start to slush at about -5 deg even at 100%<br /><br />tommays
 

BigPoppaG

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Never gets that cold here in VA. I have the pink stuff in right now at 100%.<br /><br />I will do more research in storing the block without anti-freeze next year.<br /><br />Thanks for the info.
 

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If you have a boat with a a sink,or a mobilehome with a water system,or some other type of RV,how do you set it up for winter?<br /><br />I'd like to fill a stern drive block and manifolds with oil off season,just to preserve them.But I won't because I cannot drain it properly.<br /><br />and I won't store it 'dry'<br /><br />dhp
 
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