Another Pointer ramble!

POINTER94

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Idle ramblings.

As each year pass's I gain a greater appreciation for those things old. Old coggers, old cars, old boats, old houses, old time values, old friends, old dogs, old furnature, old jokes, old guns, old clocks and watches, old scotch, heck almost all things old.

Does this mean I am getting old? Or is there something intangible about age? Are old things just better than new? I don't really believe that, a new car today is vastly superior and will provide far better service than one from the 60's or 70's. Then why the attraction to things that are old? I gave up an old truck to a brother who actually had need for it, and I find myself missing it far more than some newer vehicles I have parted ways with. Is there anything better than a good old fashioned hot dog? It isn't the topic on the food channel, but who could resist the culinary perfection of the hot dog every once in a while. Home made cookies. When was the last time you mixed up a batch? Remember the smell throughout the house when mom cooked up a tin of them? Even old holidays, like christmas and thanksgiving are far more enjoyable than say New Years (a celebration of the new) or Arbor day. Fall is my favorite season, yet is marks the passing of another year, and is at times cold and dreary.

I appreciate new things, and there seems to be a non-stop parade of new "must have" items that are fed to us each year. Windows Vista, MP3 players, flat screen tv's, plastic decking, GPS, cell phones. Even the light bulb is being obsoleted. None of which I am convinced have made my life better, just maybe easier. Anybody here have an old "flasher" unit on one of their boats. Did it tell you the depth? I remember when they were "state of the art". Our first VHF cost like $600, had maybe 10 channels, and you needed to add crystals to get more. When you depressed the mic, it did the same thing my new standard horizon does. Did GPS, depth finders, floscans, cell phones, inexpensive radios, even radar, replace seamanship? Years ago when you saw a boat leaving the breakwall into lake michigan on a windy and rough day, my first thoughts were, he must be a good seaman. Now, my first thoughts are to question whether he knows what he is doing.

The future belongs to the flexible. Embracing technology and "new" ideas are necessary for the life today. Failure to understand this is detrimental. I am appreciative of the way technology has "improved" my life. I just wonder if it really has. Has the "new" math done anything but make our children dependant on calculators? Does having to take your car in to be repaired represent a step forward? Clearly I embrace this board and those on it, many (all) of which I have gained an affinitity for, but what did I give up for these relationships? Does a new HD tv make me a better person, or just more reliant on it as a means of entertainment? And therefor making my world "smaller"?

We tend to banter about New ideas vs. old ideas, and the virtue of this versus that here in the DC. I miss my old friends, and I enjoy my new ones. I was talking to my father about my time in California. Not exactly a high point in my life. He pointed out that as time goes on, regardless of how bad things were, you tend to remember only the good times and forget or dismiss the bad. You know, I think he was spot on. I guess some of that old wisdom can help us all embrace the new. Thanks Dad.
 

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I know how you feel Pointer. I like the quality of the old stuff. It was made without the aid of computers. The old was made and developed by trial and error by backyard inventors.Then most of the old stuff had the "Made in the USA" on it. It seems as if all the new stuff is made somewhere but not here. Even the new American cars are not 100% American made. I think that is why the old cars have the nostalga that they have. Good ole American muscle.

BTW, if you find something that has the Made in the USA on it, you just may want to hang onto it. It just might end up being worth something just for the label.
 

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Nostalgia isn't what it used to be!
 

12Footer

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Nostalgia isn't what it used to be!
LOL.

I know what you're talkin about, Doug. The older I get, the more I witness "newer" ones stepping-into the same pile of excrement that I once had to slog thru.. I sometimes get an overpowering urge to just walk-over to them and shake them like a can of spray paint!!

Manners and basic consideration are no longer taught to most youth, and our schools have become disfunctional in all but those subjects that divide/conquer America.
It's not just you who sees these changes, and finds them less acceptable than what they replace.
 

treedancer

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Spot on, in my opinion on most points Pointer. The one on old jokes we can debate.;) Sounds like you have a wise father, I still remember some of the advice my dad gave me when I was young and thought I knew everything, to this day some of that wisdom comes back and I have a "AHA" moment and think boy was he right again.

< Are old things just better than new>

You be the judge on these two links


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXCHa9BYfE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvNYmtDxgz4

I wont post a hip hop link,to early in the morning.:D
 

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Deep, Tree. Very Deep.
And I would answer "roger" to almost all the questions Roger asked.

My only regret would be the miserable "learning curve".
 

Bigprairie1

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..the new vs. the old stuff? Well, I love and need the new technology...I'm out of work without it. The new cars are a good analogy too....a new car is much better 'fundamentally' than in the past from a standpoint of reliability, efficiency, fuel mileage...and lately even power.
However one thing about new technology that I don't like. It has no soul....which is why in 12-15 months it becomes so de-valued. It doesn't have any staying power.
At the end of the day, when I'm not working....I love the old stuff. I run two old Chevy Trucks (66' and a 72' Cheyenne Super). I have the old original wooden wall phone from my Grandpas farm....working!! I get my friends to use....freaks them right out. My house is probably 80% antique furniture. Important Note: the old furniture is usually....wayyyyy better quality than new (stapled, laminated) stuff
As for the old stuff, it has soul...it lasted an era, it made it...and that counts for something.
 

POINTER94

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BP1,

I think you are on to something. No soul. Perhaps the new items will develop it, but the chance are it won't . I guess it is like being the worlds greatest pacman player. Who Cares?

I guess the old saying, quality endures really does have meaning. But I think it should be measured more by the quality that went into a product rather than the product itself.
 

Bigprairie1

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.....yeah the quality of workmanship on something can mean alot. Not a lot of people can differentiate these days tho'. Some old stuff like an old steam engine, are good examples. I'm no expert on these...but they are like a piece of mechanical art. Its amazing.
 

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Yuppers... "The test of time".
We don't see many Yugos on the road anymore.. They've long ago been melted-down, hopefully into something that will stand the test of time.
That's why There is a "FORCE" forum, even tho Force hasn't been produced in over 15years. They were simple, dirty,and reliable (for their time)...This, while the boat boneyards become overpopulated with the carasses of late-model FICHT's that failed to FI properly.
 

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I had a Dental appointment this week, nothing major, just six-month check up. Go in, set down, his assistant says time for x-rays, I think cool, start listening to the elevator music after she?s done. Horror upon horror, what was cutting edge music in my youth, is now on piped in, elevator music.:( Double horror, at the time the dental drill started up in the next stall, what do they start playing ?The Eagles with Don Henley on vocals, singing ?Take it to the limit?.:eek:
 

OldMercsRule

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I also agree with a lot of what has been said here. I luv old stuff, (simple old boats n' real simple old outboard motors fer one). I'm sellin' me Dad's old Ford F250, (but if it was a 4 X 4 straight axel I would keep it). I luv old small block 'shuv it ot leave its' or old 'fix or repair dailys' that are easy to understand n' make work real good. Old mechanical things are relatively easy to wrench on, n' not be sooooo dependent on a technitions with specialized tools.

I've always been an 'odd duck' cormpared to the typical stock broker from a mid sized left coast city. Most of my buds still in that business know how to push buttons n' take their broken toys to the shop n' pay to fix things. It maybe the livin' n' workin' in Walla Walla I did fer a bit ta learn ta really respect n' gain valuable knowledge from the Farmers. (I luv their self sufficient attitude). Maybe it is growin' up with me family havin' an island, (where nothing is easy to do, and if ya can't think out of the box yer in real trouble). My commercial fisherman brother is also a survivor n' jack of many trades (as am I). Fishermen are just as saavy as Farmers are, n' they servive n' some thrive out on real BIG PUDDLES.

What would most city folk do if the electricity went off fer six months? I know I have a place ta go n' live relatively large with 50 to 100 year old technology that I understand well enough to make work fer me n' my luved ones.

Respectfully JR
 

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I agree, and I'm only 27. I'm probably the only person between 12 and 50 who doesn't have a cell phone. The first time I touched a PSP or Nintendo DS was when my 11 yo nephew brought them with him when he came visit. I had no idea what they were or how they worked.

My favorite plane is old, the Mustang, my favorite civilian plane, the Beech Duke, is also long out of production.

I love a good ol' hotdog and love homemade cookies (had a batch last week!). Like that country song says, it was a different life. We drank from a garden hose, no bottled water. We had cribs covered in lead based paint, not every kid made the team when they tried, they got upset, but we turned out alright.

I miss being a kid more than any tangible object.
 

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we live in a throw away age nothings built to last. i like the soul thing. i have my grandpas 48 ford truck out in the back yard waiting for my garage to be built. it makes me long for the days. i remember playing on it when i was little.
my mom has a pic from 1968 with the whole famly on it. 4 of those people are gone now. i also have a 1970 wheel horse lawn tractor that i mow the lawn with every week and have never had to fix it. i really like old stuff
 

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At first I knew this had to be a C&P but the further I read into it the more I seen it really was Doug writing. I agree with a lot of it. Can you see Mustang or Camaro built today having any value in 20 years? Me neither. That being said don't you think that your Dad and his Dad said the same things you are now? Most farmers rebelled against tractors when they came out, just like they did the horseless buggy, ie car.
 
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