Anchor Questions

pckeen

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Hi,

I'm looking at buying an anchor for a 19 foot Starcraft Holiday, weighs about 1900 lbs. I have a choice oh fluke, navy, river or floe. I use this in lakes with sandy or muddy bottoms. What anchor and size would you recommend?

Also, do I need a chain, and if so, why?
 

MarkSee

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Re: Anchor Questions

Here's a link to an article with some good information but you're boat was pretty much like my Maxum and I had a 8 pound fluke style with about 10 feet of chain then the line; worked pretty well.
Came with the boat when I bought and never found a need to swap it out.

You did not mention if you have a built-in place to stow the ground tackle or need to carry it on deck so you may need to find a style/size that suits your needs.

The chain is to help the anchor "lay down" and hold better and would always recommend having it.

Buyers Guide to Anchors and Accessories at FirstChoiceMarine

Mark
 
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Texasmark

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Re: Anchor Questions

Fluke (Danforth type actually) and chain are hard to beat. They are light and hold well for their size and weight. I prefer the ones with the slide ring whereas you can pull forward over and past the anchor to dislodge it if it gets stuck. Really hard to beat. A good idea is to talk with others in your area that anchor in like places with like equipment. They may have the bugs worked out of the answer for you. Grin
Navy's are just too heavy even though they work well....BTDT One thing about different styles is how long you are going to be anchored. A round anchor may be made for a sandy or mud bottom, but for a day's outing, all it does is slides through the mud....BTDT A grapnel type would be good in rocks and weeds but could get caught under a big rock.

My 2c.
Mark
 

Wakko

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Re: Anchor Questions

I'm using a 12' Porta-Bote (85 pounds plus people, gear, motor) and it seems the mushroom is called for, but what weight? Figure 500 pounds total with me and the wife lady.
 

pckeen

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Re: Anchor Questions

Hi Wakko - Welcome to iboats! I take it that you are looking for advice on what anchor to use.

Starting up questions on another thread is considered a hijack (bad). You'll have better luck if you start your own thread with this question. Best of luck!

Peter
 

Texasmark

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Back to your original question about chain need. For the flukes of navy style and Danfort anchors to grip properly, and for mushrooms and grapnels to grip properly in a different fashion, the shank of the anchor, the part the line (rope) ties to needs to be parallel to the bottom......not talking about a buoy mooring mushroom here which winds up vertical.

If the boat is in any depth of water, it is above the anchor such that the shank is not parallel, but tilted up at some angle. The deeper the water the worse it is. The higher the shank the less holding power.....like when you retrieve the anchor with no slip ring, what do you do? You pull on the anchor rope which lifts the shank, which pulls the flukes out of the bottom material and up comes the anchor. On a Danforth with the slip ring you just drive past the anchor, the ring slides forward where the flukes are and you lift it out backwards.....but that action has nothing to do with the purpose of the chain.

The purpose of the chain is to put weight between the shank of the anchor and the anchor line to force the shank back down. Doesn't take a lot. The pull of the boat (on a wave crest) has to lift the chain off the bottom before it can lift the shank and when the wave passes is releases tension on the anchor line and the chain falls back to the bottom....acts like, is, a shock absorber assisting in keeping the boat shock off the flukes.

For a 12# Danforth and a 18' boat in reasonable water, calling 2-3' swells reasonable and a 20 mph wind, 6' of 3/8 chain is adequate.....was for me and my 18' Starcraft Holiday I/O which had high sides that wind liked. Used a 100' of 1/2" Nylon line and never anchored in water deeper than about 25'. Nylon line is an excellent choice as it resists the elements, abrasion, and it stretches. The stretching absorbs some of the shock from the boat which otherwise would be transmitted to the chain, lifting it then dropping it, and ultimately to the anchor flukes.

Worst line I ever used (another boat) was polyethylene; like ski ropes are made of. It does not do well with chafeing like an anchor rope would get from your anchor rope chocks on you boat and your boat riding up and down with the swells......degrades with sunshine also.

Then there is what's called "scope". Scope is the ratio of the depth of the water to the length of the anchor line. To assist in keeping the shank parallel to the bottom, a minimum of 3:1 scope is recommended and for rough conditions, some go to 10. That means the length of the line (that is actually in use between the boat and the anchor) is 3 to 10 times the depth of the water. If you are in deep water that means a lot of line out or a humoungus anchor which is really not manageable as the boat gets larger.

So there you have it. I learned this as a teen in the Sea Explorer Scouts, BSA and never forget it. Another thing I never forgot was a question on a merit badge I was trying to obtain. Question was: What is an anchor the symbol for? Answer was: Hope. With an anchor you have confidence (hope) that you will not drift out/off to harms way including out to sea, nor onto the rip rap.

Mark
 

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Re: Anchor Questions

Just a couple of personal observations I've made when anchoring my 21' Holiday. I used to use a 10 lb Danforth style. A couple of years ago, I tried to anchor in shallow water on the south shore of Manitoulin Island with a gentle onshore breeze. There was a hard sand bottom with boulders strewn along the shore where we wanted to go for a family swim. I found that I could not get the Danforth to dig into the sand. Since the water was only a couple of feet deep, I was able to easily let out about a 10:1 scope. I was amazed to watch through the crystal clear water as the anchor skipped over the sand ripples and refuse to dig in. I've got a Delta now that has worked well so far, though I've anchored only a few times with it, each time successfully with a short scope. I still carry the Danforth as a back-up. Chain is awkward to carry and use on a small boat, but at least ensure you're using nylon line, since it doesn't float. It's not heavy like chain, but at least it doesn't work against you like poly that wants to float. - Grandad
 

pckeen

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Thanks Texas - just the information I was looking for. I actually went out to buy a Fluke, but discovered that the Fluke anchors available locally are only #10s, and 5lbs in weight, which I understand is too small for my boat.
 

Texasmark

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Thanks Texas - just the information I was looking for. I actually went out to buy a Fluke, but discovered that the Fluke anchors available locally are only #10s, and 5lbs in weight, which I understand is too small for my boat.

Don't let that stop you. Get one online if necessary and ensure that you get one with the ring so that if you anchor in rocks, rather than having to cut it loose, you can retrieve it. Or you could put more chain on the 10# and accomplish the same thing.

Going along with Granddad said, there are all kinds of conditions out there and bottoms. My 50+ years of boating experience is what is driving my choice of the Danforth with chain with nylon line and what's in my boat. It just adapts to most circumstances. Besides, if you don't like where you are anchored, move to another location.

HTH,
Mark
 

Dee Jsaan

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Re: Anchor Questions

I have a small Danforth stowed in the front of my runabout. It has the open slide ring and I have about 3 ft of chain attached to it before
it joins the 1/2 inch nylon line. But between that slide ring and the nylon rope I have a 2 ft of bicycle inner tube secured.

On the river the big river boats throw a good size wake when they are under way and not to mention the boat riders and water skiers.
The inner tube serves as a shock absorber and buffs the up and down so there isn't a shock when the chain draws tight.

Anyone else here ever use this ?
 

26aftcab454

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Danforth Anchors are great, but I use 20lb Navy anchors to hold in sandy bottom and mud. I do not use any chain but put out a 7 feet to 1 foot of depth ( 3 ft deep = 21 feet line). It has never failed me.
 

Texasmark

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I have used both and the reason for my switching from Navy was the weight of the anchor and chain (used chain on both) vs holding power. Just a personal preference.

Mark
 

Texasmark

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Re: Anchor Questions

I have a small Danforth stowed in the front of my runabout. It has the open slide ring and I have about 3 ft of chain attached to it before
it joins the 1/2 inch nylon line. But between that slide ring and the nylon rope I have a 2 ft of bicycle inner tube secured.

On the river the big river boats throw a good size wake when they are under way and not to mention the boat riders and water skiers.
The inner tube serves as a shock absorber and buffs the up and down so there isn't a shock when the chain draws tight.

Anyone else here ever use this ?

Assuming you make a loop in your anchor line such that at full extension of the tube the line is taut. Great idea and surely helps to mitigate the wave shock that can uproot your anchor.....course you knew that. Grin.

Mark
 

Dee Jsaan

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LOL, you got the idea. ;)

I think anyone who tries this system will like it. Simple & Cheap. Especially if anchored for a prolonged period of time in choppy water or on windy days.
 

corby78

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Re: Anchor Questions

Fluke (Danforth type actually) and chain are hard to beat. They are light and hold well for their size and weight. I prefer the ones with the slide ring whereas you can pull forward over and past the anchor to dislodge it if it gets stuck. Really hard to beat. A good idea is to talk with others in your area that anchor in like places with like equipment. They may have the bugs worked out of the answer for you. Grin
Navy's are just too heavy even though they work well....BTDT One thing about different styles is how long you are going to be anchored. A round anchor may be made for a sandy or mud bottom, but for a day's outing, all it does is slides through the mud....BTDT A grapnel type would be good in rocks and weeds but could get caught under a big rock.

My 2c.
Mark

+1, This is the exact type I have as well. I have a ton of success with it, and I can only remember one time when I had to really work to get it back up to the boat. The only problem I have is when I head to Bull Shoals and its all rock slabs.
 

crane-hawk

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A wise old boater was told me... "Chain holds the boat, and the anchor holds the chain" I have anchored with and without chain and I have never slipped and anchor with a min of 6 feet of chain. Can't say the same without chain. The weight of 6-10 feet of chain is not noticable and gives good piece of mind. It also acts as chaffing protection when in a rocky area. I use proof coil chain, nothing fancy. It can be found at any hardware store and isn't too much.
 
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