Americas Cup - Battle of the Kiwis

[sloopy]

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I knew that the hula was, I was trying to figure out how they kept it legal! When you listen to what they say about it, they say it is attached to the hull at certan points and can't be connected to the hull at certan points!?!?!?!? So would'nt that make it a PART OF THE HULL?!?!?! I say it's illegal.<br /><br />And the Formula is:<br />speed=the (square of (water line length)) times 1.34<br /><br />but there are many things that can change the speed including wave lenght ( a hull with 20 feet on water line can be 30 with waves) and also the hull volume under the waterline effects the equation:<br />Prismatic Coefficient = (volume)/(maximum Cross sectional area of underwater volume times Length of the design waterline<br />!!!!<br />!!!!<br />!!!! <br /><br />yikes

 

[JB]

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Is that Sloopy??? Or is it some professor of hydrodynamics putting us on??

 

[sloopy]

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nope it's SLOOPY!

 

[flashback]

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well Im looking forward to tuesday, and as far as tactics go,I think alingi has got it. thanks to all for the fill in on the hula. its still clear as mud, but a Plywoody most certainly expressed "much ado about nuthin" the wing keel that the aussie's installed is gone now i guess? from what i have seen, its just more wetted surface.......

 

[plywoody]

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Yes, I think Coutts really got into Barker's head this time, and got him doubting himself.<br />Not a good sign for Team NZ

 

[sloopy]

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Flashback, All the boats have wings on their keel, the wings do not look like the wings of Australie 2 the are long and thin and sometimes they rotate, their is also a trim tab on the keel. And the keel is heavy as if you did not know that!

 

[sloopy]

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actualy they are called winglets sorry

 

[62_Kiwi]

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Alinghi wins again <br /><br />

<br /><br />....but I haven't given up on Team NZ yet !

 

[flashback]

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That was some race! and I finally got to see the mysterious hula, I could actually see it! what a weird contraption. but all in all,I dont think it hurts any, and may even help a little. the NZ boat is a tad faster. good luck to your guys down under, they sure have dug themselves a hole..

 

[plywoody]

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I have to admit that I want to see the next match somewhere other than down under, and it looks like I will get my wish. I would rather have it in the US, of course, but Europe will have to do, I suppose.<br />Team NZ has to do some sort of shake up on the team i think, especially on the start. Not sure it will do a lot of good, but they have to try something. Coutts and Butterworth have been winning the start, and the advantage, against every crew they have sailed against so far, so maybe it is too much to ask.<br />At that level of sailing, it is kind of hard to believe that one team could be that much better than any other, but it sure seems to be.

 

[JB]

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That much better? How much better?<br /><br />They won the first race when NZ took on water (a mistake), broke a boom and shed two jibs (overload caused by water in the hull).<br /><br />They won the second race by 7 seconds. They just plain outsailed a faster boat, but only by 7 seconds.<br /><br />They won the third race by winning the start and then NZ screwed up a turn and messed up the spinnaker pole. Twenty seconds is not a large margin.<br /><br />I call that very close racing. Without NZ's mistakes it could just as well be 1-2 instead of 3-0.<br /><br />I don't expect a 5-0 finish, not by a long shot. If NZ can do three more races without errors it could get very exciting.

 

[flashback]

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Well they say no one has ever pulled it out after loosing 3 in a row, so maybe it's time. in any case, Im with Plywoody, it would be nice to have the race somewhere else for a round or two. but then again, it would be exciting if NZ could win the next 3 in a row.........?????

 

[plywoody]

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Race 1, I will give you, JB. As Barker said, there were a lot of gremlins on his boat that day. That happens, from time to time.<br /><br />But Race 2, Team NZ had the race won, and blew it. Were clearly outsailed by Coutts on the final leg.<br /><br />Race 3, Team NZ lost the start, but kept coming back little by little. Their boat, at least, is at worst equal to Alinghi in speed. They did make a mistake at the 5th mark with a spinnaker pole, but still were able to not make up any ground on the final leg.<br /><br />Now I do think it possible for Team NZ to win a race or possibly two, as they have a good boat. It will take a favorable wind shift, and a significant lead, to pull it off. They don't have the crew to pull off a comeback at this point.<br /><br />You would expect that two equal boats in speed with equal crews, would win at least one of the first three races. They didn't.<br /><br />Don't get me wrong, though. These are indeed good races, and I enjoy them. My hometown boat, One World, got badly outsailed by Oracle, who got outsailed by Alinghi. It was an impressive display of skill by Coutts and Co.<br />I would love to see them play musical chairs with the boats and skippers, as I just bet that One World was fast enough to win had they had Coutts and Butterworth. It will never happen, of course, but it sure would be interesting to see.

 

[plywoody]

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I was disappointed they did not start the race yesterday. There was plenty of wind. I agree with what Gary Jobson said that shifting winds are part of the sailing sport, and should not be a reason to cancel a race.<br />I sailed competitively in college, in 14' C-Larks, at Western Washington University in Bellingham, Wa. Our home lake was Lake Whatcom, a beautiful lake situated in the foothills of the cascades, and we used to joke that there were times we could do a complete 360 degree circle of the lake, and do it all on the same tack. It was close to being true!<br />Now I know that our competition and the America's cup are on a bit different scale of importance, still it is an integral part of sailing, and a winner ought to be determined in all conditions, except, of course, calm winds.

 

[flashback]

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I would have to agree with you plywoody, shifting winds are part of the game. who knows, it might have been just what NZ needed. I do a bit of competitive sailing on a small inland lake, and in some ways its a lot more challenging than on the big water... anyone can sail in 15 knot breeze.

 

[plywoody]

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Poor TNZ! If it wasn't for bad luck, they would have no luck at all!<br />It was a good race while it lasted, though. On the first downwind leg, those boats were just flying! And Team NZ looked at times like a submarine with the bow diving into, and under, waves.<br />They still did not solve their water problem on the upwind leg. I wonder if it contributed to the mast snapping?<br /><br />I wonder if they are wishing they maybe started a couple of those races that they called off earlier with lighter winds? TNZ is clearly competitve in light winds, and they are sure having trouble with strong winds and heavy seas!

 

[Ross J]

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It is a sad day for us, the better boat won and it looks for all intents and purposes as if the better boat will take the cup away with it. <br />That said it will be nice to see the Waitemata harbour uncluttered so I can fish in peace again.<br />Sorry guys, I just feel a lot for our boys and they have been under a lot of strain of late. It would have been nice to have won just one race.<br />Are we sure Alinghi hasn't got some electric motor down below or something. I mean to say, they haven't so much as broken a bolt throughout the entire races. Not bad at all!!<br />Alinghi, I salute you..........<br /><br />Try this guys<br /> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/americasc...ection=americascup&thesecondsubsection=result <br />Ross

 

[62_Kiwi]

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It's a dificult time being a "loyal" Kiwi right now. On one hand things are looking very desperate for Team NZ and we're having to start considering the possibility that NZ might lose the Cup... just how hard are our team going to push their boat today given all the equipment failures they've suffered so far? Looks like not enough preparation this time around.<br /><br />...but on the other hand it's hard to not feel glad about Russell Coutts setting a new America's Cup record for the number of consecutive wins. He and Brad Butterworth are now truely now at the top of their profession. Being a small country, we're always especially glad when our own people do well...<br /><br />Anyway, the wind looks very light again today, so anything could happen (or not happen!).

 

[sloopy]

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I can't stop thinking of poor TNZ, I also found out that I have rigging made by the same people who make rigging for alinghi, and well ALL THE CUP BOATS AND CRUISING/RACING boars EXCEPT TNZ!!! and look what happened...

 

[sloopy]

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AND ALINGHI WINS!!!!!!<br /><br />yippie!!!<br />and go to the site www.alinghi.com!