?????????Al Gore????????????

[dogsdad]

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> I give up. I hope someday you don't have the fun of being "rounded up", and confined without charges filed, held indefinitely, and without access to a lawyer.<br /><br />Perhaps if that happened to you, you just might be a little more sympathetic.<br /><br />On top of that, it is a technique that is completely counter-productive and bound to create more problems than it could possibly ever solve.<br /><br />At least, when it continues to go from bad to worse, you can close your mind and eyes and take comfort in claiming "It's not our fault"

Are you totally THICK, PW? Do you not think that removing illegal infiltrators from our midst may prevent another attack in which thousand more might die? Do you even give a damn?<br /><br />You give up??

 

[Kalian]

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Read the U.N. report and you'll understand the "intolerable" conditions. It gives new meaning to "making mountains out of molehills". Some of the citations were, "forcefeeding inmates on that were on hungerstrike" "stripping inmates naked" (no context given?) "too long in isolation" etc. My gawd, the inhumanity. I can't bear it. It's too cruel.

 

[jtexas]

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Originally posted by dogsdad:<br /> You have got to be s******* me! Just because Algore said it, it's true? Why don't you tell me about the conditions under which these alleged detainees were allegedly held?<br />

Why don't I tell you? It's because I'm not the person who's accusing someone of a capital crime. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty?" Bush threw it out the window maybe?<br /><br />Or are you saying that because Algore said it, he's a traitor? Okay, I can understand that's what you believe...lot of frightened people have a lot of irrational thoughts...don't worry, there's doctors that can help you with that.<br /><br />Mountains out of molehills? Hang 'im from the highest tree! No worse crime ever invented than makin' mountains outta molehills...wait...mountains outta molehills...capital crime...I know there's gotta be some irony or somethin like that in here somewhere...if only we were allowed to think for ourselves...<br /><br />Oh no...somebody help me...I think I just made an unfavorable comment about the Bush Regime...I'm going to get the death sentence! Help!

 

[dogsdad]

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Whoa.<br /><br />Your response is typical of someone who has said something indefensible.<br /><br />I said Algore is a traitor because Algore is a traitor. Nothing more, nothing less. The offense is that he went abroad and defamed the country during wartime, and in a place where many of our enemies are coming from.<br /><br />Pretend all you like that you don't know what's wrong with that. All it means to me is that you cannot be taken seriously, so I won't.

 

[Mr.Ladyfish]

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I give up

What are ya, French?

 

[rodbolt]

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dogsdad<br /> what amendment in the constitution allows for indefinate incarceration, torture and no legal representation on a suspicion?<br /> can we suspend any rules or laws just cause?<br />same as random wire tapping and data mining. who controls what and where the info goes?<br /><br /> and is it an act of sedition to publicaly disagree with policy even if overseas?<br /> i saw nothing to indicate it.<br /> he did what anyother citzen has the right to do, if you see something you think is wrong you have the right to critisize it.<br />while i dont like it as long as its not calling for an overthrow or giving national security issues its not traitorous. bad taste I will agree with but not crimminal.<br /> whats crimminal is the way this administration is wasting my kids money.<br /> I have variuos friends that were here on Visa's and a few had some glitches that allowed the visa to expire while they we in country and reapplying. mistakes are possible and forgivable, just as the state of texas forgave cheney for hunting without the proper paperwork.<br /> would it make you feel better if none of the suicide bombers had allowed their visas to expire?<br />what was needed was better cooperation between our inteligence agencies.<br />but I will agree with you on the point that if the visa is expired the case needs to be investigated as to why and the status of the visa holder.<br />but I wont agree with a mass roundup and detention based soley on a visa issue.<br />usually when another country detains a US citizen on a suspicion of something they are quickly cleared or convicted and the US puts on pressure to expidite it. should we do the same? we have "detainees" that have been held 3 years or longer with no charges.<br /> thats just not right.<br /> either convict them or set them free.<br /> but indefinate detention on a suspicion is not the america I want.<br />sets a bad precedent.

 

[jtexas]

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Okay dog, I have no need to defend Al. "Traitor" strikes me as an extreme way to describe his actions. Far as I know, we are allied with Saudi Arabia, and it's certainly reasonable to believe that some of her citizens have been mistreated. Truth is almost always a defense to defamation. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that there is no federal criminal defamation law, and I'm not sure which state would have jurisdiction. There might be grounds for a civil defamation case. <br /><br />Treason is defined in the U.S. Constitution, and defamation is not grounds for a finding of treason. So, to say he's guilty of treason might actually be...defamation. But I'm no lawyer, so I can't say for sure.<br /><br />[note to rodbolt: the U.S. Sedition law was repealed in 1921]

 

[PW2]

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DD wrote:<br /><Are you totally THICK, PW? Do you not think that removing illegal infiltrators from our midst may prevent another attack in which thousand more might die? Do you even give a damn?><br /><br /><br />Well, I guess I'm totally thick. I kind of go under the theory of treating others how you would wish to be treated. Apparently a novel and esoteric concept.<br /><br />There are lots of ways to check, in a reasonably timely and polite fashion, whether one's explaination of any INS violations make sense or not. This is, after all, America, and not Nazi Germany--at least not yet.

 

[dogsdad]

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Rodbolt: I see you posted a response of some kind. I no longer read your posts. You bore the crap outta me with your "facts" and irrelevant conclusions and endless rambling.<br /><br />JT: "Treason is defined in the U.S. Constitution, and defamation is not grounds for a finding of treason. So, to say he's guilty of treason might actually be...defamation. But I'm no lawyer, so I can't say for sure."<br /><br />So, I guess it's a far more serious matter for me to say something bad about Algore than it is for him to go overseas and say things that undermine the country's security.<br /><br />Puuuuhleeeeeeze.<br /><br />Algore is a traitor, and has always had only one interest---becoming president at any cost. His actions are not excuseable.<br /><br />PW2: I am not sure I understand all of your response. <br /><br />"Well, I guess I'm totally thick. I kind of go under the theory of treating others how you would wish to be treated. Apparently a novel and esoteric concept."<br /><br />Since when do we apply "the Golden Rule" when national security is involved? Maybe you think we should have "turned the other cheek" after 9-11?<br /><br />As far as visa violations go, it only makes sense to be especially vigilant when dealing with people from parts of the world where Muslim extremists abound. And once we clear them out, we can go on to the lower priority violators. <br /><br />We are at war, and we should definitely detain anyone from abroad who we have reason to believe poses a threat---and not after lengthy hearings and a lot of red tape...NOW. Get 'em off the streets!

 

[oddjob]

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Well, I guess I'm totally thick. I kind of go under the theory of treating others how you would wish to be treated. Apparently a novel and esoteric concept.<br /><br />There are lots of ways to check, in a reasonably timely and polite fashion, whether one's explaination of any INS violations make sense or not. This is, after all, America, and not Nazi Germany--at least not yet.

Yah, cant we just be nice so everyone will see us for the sweet, sensitive, humans that we really are. Why then OSama and the lot will let us all live in peace and end his justifiable Jehad. <br /><br />When will we conservatives ever learn the ways of the intellectual elite.

 

[jtexas]

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Originally posted by dogsdad:<br /> <br />JT: "Treason is defined in the U.S. Constitution, and defamation is not grounds for a finding of treason. So, to say he's guilty of treason might actually be...defamation. But I'm no lawyer, so I can't say for sure."<br /><br />So, I guess it's a far more serious matter for me to say something bad about Algore than it is for him to go overseas and say things that undermine the country's security.<br /><br />Puuuuhleeeeeeze.<br /><br />Algore is a traitor, and has always had only one interest---becoming president at any cost. His actions are not excuseable.<br /><br />

More serious, less serious, good, bad...I didn't introduce any of those concepts...what he did is simply not treason. If Algore wants to become president at any cost, that makes him a typical politician.

 

[KaGee]

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Golly, I'm surprised you all missed this....<br />

The Saudi Arabia seminar that was addressed by former Vice President Al Gore over the weekend in a speech that criticized the U.S. for being too tough on Arabs was sponsored, in part, by Osama bin Laden's family.<br /><br />On Saturday, the state-run Saudi news outlet Arab News reported that the Jeddah Economic Forum, where Gore spoke, was funded by "Saudi Arabian Airlines, the Saudi Binladin Group, Gulf One Investment Bank, Saudi Basic Industries Corp." and an array of other big companies with ties to the Middle East.<br />

Excerpted from HERE

 

[jtexas]

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It's generally accepted that OBL's family are good guys.

 

[rodbolt]

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OBL's family gotta be good guys, daddy osammy and Daddy Bush have been business partners a long time and have financed some of Jr's oil dealings.<br /> and the current administration managed to safely get them all out of the US within days of the 9/11 incident so no one could question them about brothers activities.<br /> had I known dogsdad had a reading problem I would have used smaller words with less syllables and sentances with no facts. for that I apologize.<br /> for my spelling and grammer I am guilty.<br /> but in todays energy driven market you will find many westerners involved in business dealings with the UAE,saudi arabia and most other oil producing nations.<br />its just how it is.<br /> the Bush family has long ties with the Bin laden family through many business dealings through various corperations since the 50's and 60's. even in the 70's when Sr was a congressman.<br />doesnt make it bad just suspicious as to why attack Iraq when most the terrorists and all the money came from suadi arabia?

 

[dogsdad]

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JT, I can't find any place in this thread where I used the word "treason." You tryin' to put words in my keyboard?<br /><br />

 

[txswinner]

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How did I miss outg on this one<br /><br />Traitor not close enough for treason there ole dog doo. You don't operate on a level the rest of can not see.<br /><br />OBL family and Bush family go back and forth enough that they are almost kinfolk.<br /><br />So all of us that speak against the war are traitors to you dogsdad and friends, well sticks and stones to all who have such little respect for what our country is all about.

 

[txswinner]

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How did I miss outg on this one<br /><br />Traitor not close enough for treason there ole dog doo. You don't operate on a level the rest of can not see.<br /><br />OBL family and Bush family go back and forth enough that they are almost kinfolk.<br /><br />So all of us that speak against the war are traitors to you dogsdad and friends, well sticks and stones to all who have such little respect for what our country is all about.

 

[jtexas]

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Originally posted by dogsdad:<br /> JT, I can't find any place in this thread where I used the word "treason." You tryin' to put words in my keyboard?<br /><br />

Doin' my best! <br /><br />From Miriam Webster:<br />Traitor - one who commits treason<br /><br /><br />Note to rodbolt: a Bush/Bin Ladin Conspiracy. veeeeeery clever. Okay gotta acknowledge the possibility that Osama & the rest of the Ladins are secretly plotting together...but the rest of the world operates on the assumption that the Ladins kicked Osama loose a long time ago & he's a big embarrassment. I'm not telling you anything you don't know, obviously, but it should be thrown out there alongside all the insinuation.

 

[dogsdad]

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Okay, jt, I'll concede the linkage between the words "traitor" and "treason." My use of the word "traitor" never was within the bounds of the strict definition, but was rather casual, but no matter...<br /><br />This country is at war, and Gore is out there hurting us---all for political gain. That makes him a traitor in my book.<br /><br />Excerpts from Black's Law Dictionary (Sixth Edition), under "treason":<br /><br />A breach of allegiance to one's government, usually committed through levying war against such government or by giving aid or comfort to the enemy.<br /><br />What Gore did was give aid and comfort to the enemy. And what is so further despicable about it all is that he did it for the purpose of undermining the President of the United States' foreign policy---for political gain. <br /><br />Gore is a traitor.

 

[dogsdad]

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Wassamatter, txs...ya got nuthin' left but name-calling?<br /><br />ROTFLMAO!<br /><br /><br />*glub, glub*