Airport security

[puddle jumper]

Re: Airport security

You guys do realize that this all came about for American security. In any high security area a pat down is normal or you don,t proceed. Simple, no pat down no entry.

If the pat down is a must to help keep us safe well be it. We have to live with that. Now if you get a cavity search there has to be a darn good reason why there searching you that complete. The border security has found many different things, that I could not imagine putting them there. People who are smuggling or are looking to harm people come in all shapes,sizes and ages with many types of motives.

The point I am making you don't know who may be sitting next to you on that plane. The Mexican border crossing found one type of person who was bring drugs into USA are old age pensioners looking to help with retirement costs.

We don't have the rights that we seem to think we have. I think if you were on that plane as it blows apart you would wish some one had been stricter on passenger searches.

 

[JustJason]

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Because who gets to see (scanner) or touch my junk is MY decision, not the governments.

I was reading the sunday paper today with Kate, there was an article about the "don't touch my junk guy"
The way I see it is like this. Flying is not a right, it's a choice and a privledge. If you don't want your junk scanned, don't fly. You can walk, bicycle, moped, moto, drive, handglide, sail, motorboat to where ever you need to go.
Sure, it's your decision to decide who gets to see/touch your junk, but it is the airlines/tsa's/govt decision to decide who is allowed to fly and who is not. You can make all the plans you want, prepay vacations and timeshares, plan your flights, but in the end it is pretty simple. If you don't play along, you don't go along.

 

[kenmyfam]

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Aren't K-9s capable of sniffing out explosive material? and they are at airports no?

I've watched Mythbusters and they've tested the K-9's ability to find drugs and explosives and the dog always wins.

Are more dogs a possible answer?

Dogs would be a fine idea. Very sensitive and trainable noses.Most of them like putting their noses in peoples private areas as well !!

 

[LippCJ7]

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I was reading the sunday paper today with Kate, there was an article about the "don't touch my junk guy"
The way I see it is like this. Flying is not a right, it's a choice and a privledge. If you don't want your junk scanned, don't fly. You can walk, bicycle, moped, moto, drive, handglide, sail, motorboat to where ever you need to go.
Sure, it's your decision to decide who gets to see/touch your junk, but it is the airlines/tsa's/govt decision to decide who is allowed to fly and who is not. You can make all the plans you want, prepay vacations and timeshares, plan your flights, but in the end it is pretty simple. If you don't play along, you don't go along.

I agree with that Jason 100%....HOWEVER aren't we just focusing on the most used mode of transportation? Whats next? Have you ever chartered a flight? You might be surprised at how inexpensive it is and no TSA issues, wonder if they have thought of that yet. What about over the road trucks? you know? We have done a decent job securing the air but they will try to kill us another way, Cops can't be everywhere, so the only answer is to arm those they wish to kill, those who do not wish to arm themselves can die quietly. We are at war here, it will not end for a very long time seeing how its been going on for more then a 1000 years already that's the reality in this, its a Holy War that has transcended time, I am not the type of person that pushes my religion on others but that's the way it is folks.

 

[bigdee]

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Nobody seems to get it....we have let the terrorists win and they are laughing at us for the TSA havoc. Why in the heck are we searching and groping innocent people? WE SHOULD NOT BE SEARCHING FOR THE BOMB, WE SHOULD BE SEARCHING FOR THE TERRORIST! Israel has the model to follow and they have never lost a plane so why can't we do the same? First time flyers should get a background check and psychological evaluation,fingerprinted and put into a database. All passengers that have had this evaluation would be let through security after a simple fingerprint scan. The database would be alerted if the person had any criminal activity since the initial evaluation and would be required to do another evaluation. Imagine how quickly the lines would move and the TSA could concentrate on the BAGGAGE and missile attempts. The groping is a joke...what would prevent a terrorist from having surgery to conceal PET in his body cavity?

 

[j_martin]

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The groping is a joke...what would prevent a terrorist from having surgery to conceal PET in his body cavity?

Actually, the internal (rectal) explosive has been tried already. It's pretty messy, but potentially effective from the terrorist's suicidal point of view.

 

[waterinthefuel]

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Nobody seems to get it....we have let the terrorists win and they are laughing at us for the TSA havoc. Why in the heck are we searching and groping innocent people? WE SHOULD NOT BE SEARCHING FOR THE BOMB, WE SHOULD BE SEARCHING FOR THE TERRORIST! Israel has the model to follow and they have never lost a plane so why can't we do the same? First time flyers should get a background check and psychological evaluation,fingerprinted and put into a database. All passengers that have had this evaluation would be let through security after a simple fingerprint scan. The database would be alerted if the person had any criminal activity since the initial evaluation and would be required to do another evaluation. Imagine how quickly the lines would move and the TSA could concentrate on the BAGGAGE and missile attempts. The groping is a joke...what would prevent a terrorist from having surgery to conceal PET in his body cavity?

QFT.

What's really sad is there are actually people out there that have the attitude "you don't have to fly, so take some other form of transportation if you don't want to be groped." Hello!!! Being molested shouldn't be a requirement of any form of transportation. And quite frankly, once I purchase a ticket, it's nonrefundable, so if they won't give me my money back, they don't have the right to touch me when I get on the plane!

And as far as "flying is not mandatory" tell that to the small business guy whos trying to get across this nation to a meeting that he can't afford to miss and has 24 hours to get there, the mom who has to rush across the continent to be with her daughter having their grandchild, etc etc. Yes, sometimes flying is NOT optional. It really doesn't matter. Like you stated, the terrorists are looking at TSA feeling up kids and laughing their asses off. We're always behind the curve, they do something, and THEN we start checking that. Well guess what, it hasn't stopped anyone yet has it? I'd love for someone to compile a list of middle eastern terrorists that all this TSA groping has actually stopped. I mean actual documented known terrorists, not some goofball caught with a knife in his pocket.

Israel knows how to do it, and they don't molest people. So how about we take some lessons from them?

 

[DECK SWABBER 58]

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A major problem is that the US chooses not to profile passengers and subject those more likely to commit violent acts to the searches. We'd rather make making everyone miserable rather than being "unfair", "racist", or "discriminatory". Hard to run an effective security scheme and be "nice" at the same time.....

This my biggest pet peeve, it's political correctness gone amuck.

99% of Muslims are peaceful but 1% want to kill us. "Profiling" is the answer but instead were interogating grandma's and children.

I am all for airport security. Before 9-11-01 my hip implant never once set off a airport metal dectector, now I can't make it through without setting off all the bells and whistles. It's an inconvenience but I'm glad. But a muslim without a piece of metal in his leg walks right through.

 

[DECK SWABBER 58]

Re: Airport security

Actually, the internal (rectal) explosive has been tried already. It's pretty messy, but potentially effective from the terrorist's suicidal point of view.

And it cannot be detected by the "Full Body Scanner"

 

[gonefishie]

Re: Airport security

So are they patting down everyone or just the ones that refused to go through the scanner? From what I've seen, the scanner does show a lot of details but it's more like looking at an xray. What's the big deal?

 

[LippCJ7]

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The way I understand it, the pat down searches are random with the full body scan but mandatory without it.

I'm with Jason I am for the full body scan (we have it in several other facilities other then the airport) and to be honest I don't mind having a pat down myself, but a man patting down my wife is going to be a problem. In order to get my CCW and my security clearances I would prefer a national ID so that I don't have to go through this stuff constantly, every federal job or access etc.etc. just seems like a waste of my tax dollars and such, if we had a National ID with my background info on it, one that is not easily counterfieted I would be all for if it was used properly. I realize though that the reason we don't have one is because we cannot make sure that it isn't circumvented.

 

[tx1961whaler]

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Do you actually think that TSA is really there to provide security, or just to make people feel better?
The amount of fear expressed on this thread for a statistically VERY UNLIKELY event (e.g. you personally dying from an act of foreign terrorism) is really incredible. How can we even go out and drive to work in the morning, knowing that the boogy man is right around the corner just waiting to kill us? Or lightning may strike us (more likely). Or we can win the Lotto! (much more likely, but still basically a zero chance). But about 40 THOUSAND people are killed in transportation accidents in the US alone each and every year, but we don't think twice about jumping in a car, do we? But we'll turn the entire world upside down, duct tape ourselves inside our homes, live in fear for decades when ONCE we get horribly whacked for 2,976 lives? Heck, well over 500 people are killed in the US each year by their co-workers, part of the eighteen thousand yearly total homicides! This is not in any way meant to minimize the horror and loss on 9/11, but all of us need to get real and quit letting irrational fear rule us and define us. Seems like a lot of people are shaped much more by what they fear rather than what they know. People gain great power (and always have) by scaring the bejebus out of us and then convincing us that they can make it all go away.
Sorry, I ain't buying what they're selling anymore.

 

[bigdee]

Re: Airport security

Do you actually think that TSA is really there to provide security, or just to make people feel better?
The amount of fear expressed on this thread for a statistically VERY UNLIKELY event (e.g. you personally dying from an act of foreign terrorism) is really incredible. How can we even go out and drive to work in the morning, knowing that the boogy man is right around the corner just waiting to kill us? Or lightning may strike us (more likely). Or we can win the Lotto! (much more likely, but still basically a zero chance). But about 40 THOUSAND people are killed in transportation accidents in the US alone each and every year, but we don't think twice about jumping in a car, do we? But we'll turn the entire world upside down, duct tape ourselves inside our homes, live in fear for decades when ONCE we get horribly whacked for 2,976 lives? Heck, well over 500 people are killed in the US each year by their co-workers, part of the eighteen thousand yearly total homicides! This is not in any way meant to minimize the horror and loss on 9/11, but all of us need to get real and quit letting irrational fear rule us and define us. Seems like a lot of people are shaped much more by what they fear rather than what they know. People gain great power (and always have) by scaring the bejebus out of us and then convincing us that they can make it all go away.
Sorry, I ain't buying what they're selling anymore.

That says it all....the only thing we have to fear is fear itself

 

[waterinthefuel]

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A lot of wisdom in this thread.

I bet there are people here who would support a gov't mandate of a 5 point harness, full body gear, and the HANS device for all passenger vehicles, after all, if it saves one life its worth it, right?

At some point you have to say no. The time is now. Stand up America.

 

[roncoop75]

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What nobody really seems to get yet? That TSA doesn't stand for Airline Security Agency. It stands for Transportation Security Agency. Allow this here and you'll allow this at ALL FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION.

What's worse? This doesn't stop anybody! If someone decides to put a bomb in their body cavities they WILL get on the plane. Absolutely nothing we're doing will stop them. Look for the terrorist NOT THE BOMB. You won't find the bomb anymore, those days are over.

Even worse than that AND displayed in this thread? We have some people right here in this thread that are gullible enough to believe that the TSA can find a bomb. Pfft, they didn't even find the pocket knife I forgot was in my carry on the last time I flew. You think they're going to find a bomb that somebody keistered? You're lying to yourself.

I'm quickly coming to the point at which I don't believe this is the best country in the world anymore. When I retire, I'll probably leave it.

 

[jay_merrill]

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I agree with that Jason 100%....HOWEVER aren't we just focusing on the most used mode of transportation? Whats next? Have you ever chartered a flight? You might be surprised at how inexpensive it is and no TSA issues, wonder if they have thought of that yet. What about over the road trucks? you know? We have done a decent job securing the air but they will try to kill us another way, Cops can't be everywhere, so the only answer is to arm those they wish to kill, those who do not wish to arm themselves can die quietly. We are at war here, it will not end for a very long time seeing how its been going on for more then a 1000 years already that's the reality in this, its a Holy War that has transcended time, I am not the type of person that pushes my religion on others but that's the way it is folks.

Chartering is inexpensive? Chartering what?




???

 

[gonefishie]

Re: Airport security

It's not like you have to go thru it everyday or something. The peoples that you see throwing a fit aren't the ones that live out of their suitcase and fly all the time. I wish peoples would just shut up, comply with the rules and go on. It has nothing to do with violation of your freedom or whatever. We're so spoiled that everytime some new rules or regulations come out peoples get upset. Despite what have been going on, this is still the best country in the world and if you don't feel that way? You're free to leave! Unlike some other countries where you can't do that.

 

[Bob_VT]

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Time to close this one. It is swaying way off topic with bad jokes, racism and more. The security is here and we do not have a say on what happens.