Advice on mooring

DBLD

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Hi,<br /><br />I have trailered my boat for a few years now. I live on Cape Cod, MA - so the waiting list for an ocean mooring can be long. I just found out I was awarded a mooring for this coming season. I was wondering if anyone could tell me what I need to know about mooring vs. trailering?<br /><br />I know I have to have the bottom painted, I know I need to figure out a way to keep the birds off the T-Top and bow rail (maybe one of those arms that swing around with the breeze - do those work?). I am going to install an automatic float switch so my bilge pump can operate on its own.<br /><br />What else do I need to know? I always flush my engine after each use now, but how do you do that if you don't pull the boat out of the water (I use the muffs, I don't have a fresh water fitting on my older outboard). Also, is it necessary for me to flush it every time?<br /><br />These are the kinds of things I'm not sure about and any help and advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 

Buttanic

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Re: Advice on mooring

Unless the boat is self bailing with a completely sealed bilge and no chance of a below the water line leak you need an onboard battery charger to keep the battery charged at all times should you develop a leak or heavy rain that could run the bilge pump until the battery went dead. Two batteries and two automatic pumps are better than depending on one to keep it floating. Keeping a boat unattended in the water is a different ball game from a trailer. It can't sink sitting on the trailer.
 

DBLD

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Re: Advice on mooring

Yep,<br /><br />I hear ya! Sinking my boat sure would suck! I have a dual battery system set up - primarily so I have a back up if I need it now. I have a selector switch. So when I leave the boat in the water, I assume I put the battery switch in the "both" or "all" position?<br /><br />As for self bailing - I am not sure I know what that means. However, I think I have a self bailing cockpit. It is a Mako center console - it has a single scupper at the stern. The scupper is above the water line. I guess I leave that plug out while moored so any rain water can drain out? And then anything else would go into the bilge and get pumped out?<br /><br />Thanks for your reply!
 

salty87

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Re: Advice on mooring

I believe Buttanic was suggesting a fully redundant back-up system with 2 bilge pumps in total and a battery for each with both batteries on chargers.<br /><br />1 problem with leaving your battery switch on both or all is that a bad battery can drain a good battery. To be a back-up, the draws need to be kept separate.<br /><br />I'm sure some more informed opinions will be along shortly.<br /><br />A lift is as close as mine gets to staying on the water. How often would you make it out to the boat?
 

ED21

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Re: Advice on mooring

Depending on how often you use your boat & how much the bilge pump runs a solar panel to keep your bilge pump battery topped off might be handy.
 

DBLD

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Re: Advice on mooring

Thanks to all for your adivce. I will look into the solar panel and see about that.<br /><br />Weather permitting, I typically use my boat about 4 times a week. Both weekend days almost for sure, and a couple of times during the week. I guess that would help me keep the batteries charged.<br /><br />I am also close enough so I can get to it after (or during) a rain storm to make sure the bilge is empty and all systems are functioning. <br /><br />So sinking is definitely the biggest concern - but are there other things learned through your years of boating that you could share? I haven't ever moored a boat, so as with all things, I'm sure I'll figure it out with time. But, if I can get a headstart, why not!<br /><br />Thanks again for the help.
 

Luna Sea

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Re: Advice on mooring

With 2 pumps, hook the one that turns on first to the auxilliary battery and the one that goes on second (backup) to the starting battery. And do not leave the battery on both, if a switch sticks it'll kill both batteries. I have a solar panel I paid about $150 for and it keeps my battery fully charged. Overcharging has been a problem though, look into a regulator of some sort if you go solar. I don't think you'll miss the boat ramp scene...... Good Luck!
 

crazy charlie

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There are solar chargers that are a lot less expensive than 150$ and probably a lot smaller so only a trickle charge would be beneficial.Charlie
 

wajajaja

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Re: Advice on mooring

hi, im a newbe, but here's what i'm doing for <br />1. battery charge, ebay item 3173548747,this seller is a store and he has mega listings of this item.<br /><br />2 battery isolation, i bought a wirring harnest from a guy who makes them in texas. list them on ebay as a ad tool, he sell direct for 19.+2.50 shipping, the bid went to 28. <br />this accomplishes the same as a switch,but electronicly<br />he is wirewerks@earthlink.net.<br /><br />i have gottent the product yet, but will soon learn if its good or not.
 

Solittle

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You will want to wire the bilge pumps directly to the battery so that the master switch can be left in the off position. This is a precaution should you develop an electrical leak anywhere that would drain the batteries. <br /><br />I keep my boat out of the water but have a very low drain short somewhere that I have not been able to find. It does not present a problem if I leave both master switches off when on the trailer but if I forget - - - -
 

18rabbit

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Re: Advice on mooring

Are you mooring to an anchor or a pier? If it is a mooring ball (anchor), you may start with stern anchorage and a means to/from your boat…like a tender. You haven’t given much detail about the mooring type or boat. Here are some random thoughts:<br /><br />1- Critters – you’re on the right track already…bottom paint, decoys. You’ll likely want something called a deck brush and extension handle to occasionally brush off the vegetation/algae that is going to grow on your boat.<br /><br />2- Water – if you are on a dock, you’ll want a hose and spray nozzle to wash down the boat with fresh water when you return. You won’t have water if moored on a ball.<br /><br />3- Power – you will not have it on a ball but likely will at a dock. If you have shore power available your battery (and bilge pump needs) can be maintained that way. In my area, some marinas include the cost of pwr in their rental, some don’t. They likely won’t allow you to leave anything hooked up to sp with a household pwr cord, but you can add a shore power socket to your boat. The shore-power cords are less expensive purchased as a unit in a std length. They are often sold as ‘lost leaders’ by larger businesses that sell boating goodies.<br /><br />4- Knots and lines – all that stuff about them you were able to avoided…you now need to know. Someone else here can post a link to see the proper way to tie spring lines and the selection of appropriate cordage for that use. A handy book is “The Complete Book Of Sailing Knots” by Geoffrey Budworth. Less than $20, 140 pages, and has every knot you will need in recreational boating. His directory of knots makes it simple to locate what you need and the illustrations are good.<br /><br />5- Bumpers – if you are moored to a pier, go ahead and invest in quality bumper/fenders with lifetime replacement. Taylor or BoatUS or West Marine’s own brand…<br /><br />6- Slip - you really need to pay attention to the attributes of any slip you are assigned. Wind, currents, tides can all have a serious effect on your ability to maneuver safely into/out of. You may need to be very familiar with your vessel’s ‘side thrust’ characteristic if you have a single screw. You may want to reconsider any slip that has a ‘get-it-right-the-first-time’ approach for your particular boat.<br /><br />7- Security – how and what needs to be secured? An open boat is an open invitation.<br /><br />8- Insurance – review your policy for coverage while stored at mooring. Call and ask your insurance provider if you have any doubts. It’s likely going to be required before you are allowed to moor.<br /><br />9- Get to know your neighbors and talk to them often.<br /><br />10- Get a key to the bathroom. Make a copy and keep it in your glove box. Many marinas have shower facilities and it’s nice to get cleaned up before crawling back into the car and going home.<br /><br />As a rule of thumb, you don’t leave any holes unplugged when you moor. Any part of your boat that is self-bailing is probably so when underway, not likely when moored. Forget the ‘both’ position on the battery switch unless you are running the same load on parallel bats at all times…in which case you can forget the “1” and “2” positions on the switch and always leave it on ‘both’.
 

POINTER94

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Unwritten marina rules for instant acceptance.<br /><br />1. Get to know your neighbors. There are many good reasons for this other than the social factors that are always a bonus. Knowledge, the minute you think you know everything about anything you are in for a rude awakening. Sailors can learn from fisherman and vice versa. They also will supply security for your boat if they know who you are and who should be on your boat. Contacts, if you need a sponcer for a yacht club, here may be your in. The club usually provide reciprocity so, if you do any cruising this will assist in obtaining slips and services when you are away from your home port. Always remember to be twice as nice to your marina mates as you are to your neighbor. Noise and voices carry much better over water, and like it or not people will judge you on your manners, seamanship, condition of boat.<br /><br />2. Get to know the staff. Get to know who they are, and what they do. Use their services when you don't have to so they will give you priority when its an emergency. Good way to start is bring in doughnuts and bagels for the shop midseason at 8am. Do this for no reason. Cheap way to get to know guys. Get to know the first names of and tip the dock attendants when they pump your gas and pump out your head. Not 20 bucks but something that shows your appreciation. Now you have someone interested in watching over your boat. Give attendants a juice or soda when appropriate and thank them for the job that they do.<br /><br />3. If you have kids keep them under control. Screeming kids in the ships store is exactly what people don't want or APPRECIATE during their valuable time off to relax. Little feet running up and down the dock may be no big deal to you but it drives most people crazy. They should be on your boat, or your dock or in a designated play area and not on other people's docks.<br /><br />4. Keep your dock and boat in the best condition possible. Coil your lines, and hoses if applicable, and keep all debris away from your area. Maintain your boat to the best condition possible. A clean, waxed, and secure vessel will always be appreciated by everyone. Good lines, secured properly always make a good first impression of the boats owner. Make sure your systems are in good working order. A tripped GFI on a shared power box can really be a smelly mess for your friends and neighbors.<br /><br />5. Share information with everyone. Where the fish are biting, good vacation spots, good places to eat, technical skills, etc. You are now a resource to the group. Everyone brings something to the party, and it doesn't really matter what it is, but your experience will be better the more open you are.<br /><br />6. Politics... Marina's are like any work relationship. Newbies are on the bottom of the totem pole. Try to address any issues you have on your own and then call attention to them. A loose cleat on the dock, an board that isn't secure, dirty shower rooms. Just like work it is always better to do or fix something and then complain than vice versa. Most marinas want what is best for their customers and will do what is reasonable to attain that. The pump out for the head breaks, work with it, parking issues, garbage cans too full, noise from the shop, these things happen and don't try to be king arthur and clean up the place overnight. A professional will overcome most issues without saying a word. If they are intolerable present your issues calmly in a letter or to the manager. Telling a dock attendant to clean up the fish cleaning station will not earn you any favors.<br /><br />7. Be flexible. If you are going away for a week or more, let then marina know so they can use your slip for transient dockage. Yes, you may feel you own that slip and it is at your discression that someone is allowed to park there, but what's the difference. These thoughtful actions will be remembered when you buy a 32footer and will need a new, larger dock. :) <br /><br />Whenever possible buy gas, ice, soda and beer from the marina. If the prices represent only a buck or three more to do so. Using their services helps to sustain the viability of the marina. Most small marinas live on fairly thin margins dispite what you think of that large slip rental payment.<br /><br />Just some random thoughts from an old marina rat. I think you will find the experience of having a slip very enjoyable and rewarding. Take full advantage of all that this has to offer :) :)
 

DBLD

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Re: Advice on mooring

Hi,<br />Thanks to everyone for all the great info! It really helps and gets me thinking along the right lines.<br /><br />Sorry for not giving more info on the boat and mooring. Here it is.<br /><br />It is an anchor (ball) mooring, not a slip. It is in salt water. The boat is a 19' Mako center console - all open. It is a single outboard.<br /><br />I am concerned about theft of items on the boat as it is completely open, but I guess I can either put some locks on storage compartments and/or take items off the boat with me (like my GPS). I will get the bilge pump system right to make sure I am all set with that.
 

POINTER94

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DBLD,<br /><br />That is a great boat.. :) A buddy of mine in Florida has one and it has provided the most fun on the ocean I have ever had. He calls his MAKO'S MOTLEY. If you knew this guy you could fully appreciate the name. The guy is 40 but is nothing short of a traveling frat party... :D <br /><br />Just some thoughts. Are you going to get a full cover of some sort to shed rain or water? An automatic bilge pump is mandatory, and the solar chargers sound like a great idea. Make sure you double clamp the hoses. FYI the float switches on these units are notoriously poor. Go with a redundant system or check frequently.. I would hook to the deep cycle battery or you may prematurely drain the battery or destroy the pump. They have a low amp draw.. Buy the best you can find.. Look to this forum for brand suggestions.<br /><br />I have seen these systems which are essentially a line running bow to stern. Boats equipted with this have half or less of the bird crap on them. They are real popular on lake geneva here in wisconsin. Gordy's marina in Fontana, WI is the dealer locally here. Rubber snakes, owls etc have never worked in my opinion. It is also believed that a blue cover will help resist the temptation to birds to sit on your boat. An old sailers tail don't know if it is true, but if you have a choice maybe it has merit. Check your bouy and make sure it won't marr you bow. Anything that is metal can scar your bow so cover or replace anything that can cause damage.<br /><br />Will they provide a dingy, if not start looking. You should be able to pick one up for under $500 in your area.<br /><br />Have fun!!!! :D
 

Ralph 123

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DBLD - moorings are great and awful at the same time. Nothing beats a boat like sitting in the salt and sun all day every day. Is trailering a 19' really that much of an issue for you that you want all the negatives associated with a mooring? If it were a slip I could see the big attraction. At least you have power and water and ease of access and people keeping an eye on your boat. Just a thought...
 

DBLD

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Re: Advice on mooring

Hi,<br /><br />Thanks for all the info. I have weighed the pros vs. cons of trailering and mooring. It isn't a big deal to trailer such a small boat, but the problem is the boat ramp in my town. There's only one, so either you get there early, or you get there late if you want a parking spot. On holiday weekends, forget about putting in - it's mob scene. So, for the convenience of being able to row out to my boat at any time of day and use it whenever I want, I think it is worth it.<br /><br />Also, since it is so small, I can pull it out on a regular basis and give it a good cleaning and inspection to make sure everything is OK.<br /><br />Thanks again for all the info. This site is the best!
 

ED21

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I have to agree. Their is nothing like getting in your boat & going when you feel like it. :) <br />I didn't get into boating because I like crowds & waiting around, even though that is part of the price of admission often.
 

Paul Moir

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... Cape Cod...<br /><br />Double up your mooring lines with approching storms, or if leaving unattended for a while. Religously inspect your lines for wear.<br />My brother lost his first set of mooring lines last October. The backup set he put on the night before the primary broke is hung on his living room wall I think.
 

DBLD

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That is the kind of thing I am asking about - I would never have thought to make sure I had a back up set of lines until it was too late. <br /><br />Thanks!
 

mabbott

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DBLD, Where are you on the Cape? I am in Pocasset / Buzzards Bay side. I am not sure of your rule and regulations for the mooring but we own ours and it must be inspected every three years for wear etc. I would recommend acquiring one that meets or exceeds the specifications of your next boat. Make sure the bridle / penant has two lines to attach to your cleats. Purchase chafeing gear to protect the lines rubbing on the deck for any storm.<br /><br />Leaving the mooring, after all safety preparations and engine warm up bring the dinghy up to the bow, secure it to the rail, loosen one bridle and attach the dinghy. Observe the boat traffic, wind and current and then release the second bridle. Return to the cockpit and have fun.<br /><br />Returning to the mooring, always head into the wind coming up to the ball. Get your boat pole hook ready. Take out of gear and coast towards the ball and dinghy to get a sense of the wind/current. Use a little gear to manuver the bow to the mooring ball. Put in neutral and leave the enging running...just in case you can't retrieve the bridel/penant the first time. Pick up the dinghy painter and bridle, hook one loop on the cleat and then untie the dinghy.<br /><br />A pick up stick (small float on a 5'fiberglass rod) may be useful attached to the mooring. This allows you to grab the bridle/penant with out a boat pole.<br /><br />This may be a bit over specific but for some useful to someone who has never done it. It works for me at my mooring with a 31'Open in a channel with wind and current.
 
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