Additional sound signals for electric boats?

[briangcc]

What? Sailing vessels have horns? I thought only powered vessels had to have operational horns.

Let me ask you a question....as I assume that you are a power boater...what's in your Coast Guard kit? Whistle? Air horn?

Why do you carry those? It's simple really....what happens when your battery gives up the ghost? How exactly do you plan to use your electric horn with no power?

In that instance, where your battery is now dead, consider yourself a sailboat as you are no longer under power.

Simple enough?

Now...electric boat is considered a power boat and subject to the SAME regulations as a gas guzzling boat.

At idle, my Honda 115 was so quiet that the only way you could tell it was running was listening to the tell tale hit the lake. By your argument, because my boat was so quiet, I would need a different set of rules to announce I'm there? Doesn't the 17'6" boat that the motor is attached to give you that indication already?

You're severely overthinking this.

 

[BWR1953]

What about seriously hearing impaired or deaf boat operators? They're not going to hear a noisemaker.

 

[Scott Danforth]

this is international maritime law

All Boats less than 12M (39.4 feet) in length - must carry an efficient sound producing device. In general, this may be a bell, whistle, or air horn. ... Boats at least 12M (39.4 feet) to less than 20M (65.6 feet) in length - Must carry a whistle and a bell. The whistle must be audible for 1/2 nautical mile.

on my boat is both the electric horn and a hand-held air horn. in the ditch bag is a second hand-held air horn and a whistle.

 

[dingbat]

I boat in one of the busiest waterways in the US. Lots of recreational, commercial and military traffic of all shapes and sizes.

Can't remember the last time anyone used a horn or visual signal device to identify or convey intent. Advancements in technology like AIS make it far too easy, and with less ambiguity, to hail the Captain of a passing ship on radio (VHF) should the need arise. Even before AIS you simply hailed the Captain by vessel name or description (30' Proline off my bow) and talked to the Captain directly.

 

[mr 88]

I boat in one of the busiest waterways in the US. Lots of recreational, commercial and military traffic of all shapes and sizes.

Can't remember the last time anyone used a horn or visual signal device to identify or convey intent. Advancements in technology like AIS make it far too easy, and with less ambiguity, to hail the Captain of a passing ship on radio (VHF) should the need arise. Even before AIS you simply hailed the Captain by vessel name or description (30' Proline off my bow) and talked to the Captain directly.

I have been on the water for 60 years and have never heard anyone use a horn , whistle , bell or any other noisemaker for overtaking a boat or for anything else on the water. Whoops I have heard horns after a particular good firework mortar screams through the air , that's what horns are good for and that's about it . 99% of the boat operators do not have a clue to begin with , so asking them to understand why your blasting your horn is redundant .

 

[Myrtonos]

Like sailors ever overtake any vessel while under sail power. So electric cars have warning horns because people can only see them and not hear them , hahaha.

Some electric cars don't just have horns, they have additional sounds to warn pedestrians. Such are even required in the E.U and the U.S.

Now...electric boat is considered a power boat and subject to the SAME regulations as a gas guzzling boat.

Currently it is but might that change as it already has for road vehicles?

this is international maritime law

All Boats less than 12M (39.4 feet) in length - must carry an efficient sound producing device. In general, this may be a bell, whistle, or air horn. ... Boats at least 12M (39.4 feet) to less than 20M (65.6 feet) in length - Must carry a whistle and a bell. The whistle must be audible for 1/2 nautical mile.

But aren't boats also permitted to carry additional sound producing devices? In that case it might be a good idea for electric boats to have some?

I boat in one of the busiest waterways in the US. Lots of recreational, commercial and military traffic of all shapes and sizes.

Can't remember the last time anyone used a horn or visual signal device to identify or convey intent. Advancements in technology like AIS make it far too easy, and with less ambiguity, to hail the Captain of a passing ship on radio (VHF) should the need arise. Even before AIS you simply hailed the Captain by vessel name or description (30' Proline off my bow) and talked to the Captain directly.

Can you remember the last time you encountered an electric boat?

I have been on the water for 60 years and have never heard anyone use a horn , whistle , bell or any other noisemaker for overtaking a boat or for anything else on the water. Whoops I have heard horns after a particular good firework mortar screams through the air , that's what horns are good for and that's about it . 99% of the boat operators do not have a clue to begin with , so asking them to understand why your blasting your horn is redundant .

I bet you hear plenty of marine engines and that tells your if they are operating propulsion or not. Isn't that useful when they are out of you sight, including but not limited to when a powered vessel is coming around a blind corner?

 

[Grub54891]

if your paying attension you don't run stop signs. if your paying attension, you don't hit another boat.

 

[dingbat]

Can you remember the last time you encountered an electric boat?

Last week… two in fact

Here is a picture of one very similar to the first.

BTW.. I had no problem determining is heading. Picked him up on radar 12 miles down range.

 

[GA_Boater]

Do you have a boat?

Gonna answer?

We help people with boat problems and you don't have any in all that time. That is odd, to say the least.

You say EV's have a growing spurt of rules covering warning sounds. That's true and all are for protecting pedestrians. Only one person has walked on water that I know of.

In the 9 1/2 years you've been a member, you have started 9 threads and not a single boat or engine question. Why?

 

[Myrtonos]

They are all boat questions.

 

[GA_Boater]

They are all boat questions.

No, they aren't. Most can be answered by taking a boating safety course.

Where are the questions about your or a friends boat.

GA_Boater said:


Do you have a boat?

Gonna answer?

 

[mr 88]

Some electric cars don't just have horns, they have additional sounds to warn pedestrians. Such are even required in the E.U and the U.S.



Currently it is but might that change as it already has for road vehicles?



But aren't boats also permitted to carry additional sound producing devices? In that case it might be a good idea for electric boats to have some?



Can you remember the last time you encountered an electric boat?



I bet you hear plenty of marine engines and that tells your if they are operating propulsion or not. Isn't that useful when they are out of you sight, including but not limited to when a powered vessel is coming around a blind corner?

No I cant hear any engines over my own . Unless its a high performance thru hull exhaust burning some gas .Not to many blind corners on the open waterways, in a controlled environment there are buoys and other navigation markings ,just like on the roads that if you abide to keeps everyone safe . You are relentless in arguing with most of the replies I'll give you that.

 

[GA_Boater]

You Liked Mr 88's post where he said you are basically wasting our time. ??????????

 

[Myrtonos]

I liked it because of what else he said.

 

[GA_Boater]

I liked it because of what else he said.

This thread is wasting your time and our time. We have been looking up regs to explain this to you and it goes over your head or is ignored or is argued by you.

Closed.