A real debate

NathanY

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I want the real answers to these questions, any flaming or name calling will not be tolerated neither will rudeness.<br /><br />Why do you like Bush?<br /><br />Why dont you like Bush?<br /><br />Why do you like Kerry?<br /><br />Why dont you like Kerry?<br /><br />One of the reasons that I like Bush is because I believe that in time of disaster or confrontation, for lack of a better word, Bush has proven to be a strong leader that does exactly what he says.<br /><br />I dont like Kerry because I believe that he is soft. I believe that he is incapable of taking a hard front against anything. I believe that Kerry will weaken our military, and raise taxes. <br /><br />These are just some of my reasons. I would like input from you all.
 

JB

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Re: A real debate

Hmmmm.<br /><br />I both like and disagree with both.<br /><br />I like Bush for the reasons Nate states. I believe in small government that allows people to solve their own problems and take care of themselves, rather than looking to the fed to fix everything. I believe in low taxes for everybody. I believe in an approach to the environment that puts conservation ahead of preservation and balances the needs of the country with the needs of the environment.<br /><br />I disagree with our President on the rights of same gender families to the legal rights of next-of-kin. I believe that freedom of religion includes freedom from religion, including references to God in the Pledge of Allegiance, on our currency, and in official prayer.<br /><br />On what to do in Iraq, it is a wash. Kerry's plan is almost identical to Bush's plan, but includes pie-in-the-sky dreams of getting cooperation from a few more countries and the UN in finishing the job. Fat chance.<br /><br />I like Kerry's style of oration and articulation, and Bush's authenticity and warmth. Using the wrong words doesn't make the meaning wrong.<br /><br />I respect Kerry's service to our country in Viet Nam and really, really dislike his betrayal of our country when he came back. I disagree with Kerry's traditional liberal position that the people with money, the winners in our capitalistic society, are to blame for everything and should pay for everything. I just don't see how punishing the winners helps anybody.<br /><br />Kerry hasn't the courage to take a position that I like on human rights or religious presence in government. Those are the only points on which I disagree with our President.<br /><br />That makes it a slam dunk for Gee Dubya at The Hideout.
 

mattttt25

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Re: A real debate

i like bush's responses to 9/11 and saddam's uncooperation with the u.n. i think invading afghanistan and iraq were good, logical decisions. i also tend to support republican candidates, as they tend to support strong militaries.<br /><br />i don't like bush's constant struggle with the english language. as president of the united states, you can't screw up. sorry.<br /><br />i don't know enough about kerry to comment.
 
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Re: A real debate

I like that Bush does things well, even though he doesn't articulate it well.<br /><br />I dislike Kerry because even though he can articulate things well, he screws things up.<br /><br />I like Bush because he is Pro-Life.<br /><br />I dislike Kerry because he is Pro-choice and calls himself a Catholic.<br /><br />I like Bush because I believe he will and is acting to protect America.<br /><br />I dislike Kerry because I don't believe he has what it takes to authorize force under any circumstances.<br /><br />I like Bush because all around, I believe he is a better leader and better for America than Kerry.
 

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Re: A real debate

I dislike Mickey Mouse because he is the figurehead for an evil empire... :p
 

WillyBWright

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I like Bush because he responded appropraitely in Afghanistan after 9/11.<br /><br />I dislike Bush because he used fighting terrorism as an excuse to fulfill his vendetta against Madman Insane.<br /><br />I like Kerry because...having a hard time with that one. I wish they could've found a better candidate.<br /><br />I dislike Kerry because I don't believe in him as a good leader either.<br /><br />Mickey Mouse can't run for President. He's a cartoon character. But he can be a running mate for Barney because Barney is Real. :D
 

TELMANMN

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Good question.<br /><br /> Why do I like Bush. Makes me feel smart.<br /> <br /> Why I don't like Bush. Hid in Natl. Guard from<br />Vietnam service. Went to Louisiana(no one has come forward to say they even saw him at a meeting. I would think common sense would dictate that either:<br /><br /> 1: No one ever showed up for meetings.<br /><br /> 2: He never showed up for meetings. <br /><br /> 3: They were all too drunk to remember.<br /><br /> 4: They are all too senile too remember.<br /><br /> I am sure that a new person coming into a situation like this,someone would ask, who is this? Oh this the son of a Congressman from Texas,<br />I have no clue or again, no one ever showed up. If <br />I was in a unit that had anyone who showed up and found out he was known, I think I would of remembered. At the present time wouldn't someone come forward and say I was in a unit of the Natl. Guard with the president? <br /> He was born with a silver spoon up his butt. He got into college as a legacy, drunk, druggy and still in denial.<br /> Plays the Reborn again card. Yeah, me too! <br /> In oil and Major league baseball(buy low, make taxpayers build stadium, sell for more, and again no one helped me). <br /> 9-11 on his watch. Not his responsibily? JFK <br />inherited the bay of pigs(due to faulty intelligence) took responsibily. Dubya never will because he is in denial.<br /> On 10-03-00 "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." On 3-6-03 "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people."<br /> No reason to go into Irag except they already had everything in place and they wanted to do it before it got hot. No trying to get inspectors back on the ground, because they already said their was nothing over their. <br /> Not enough people on the ground. No probelm because they knew their were no WMD's. Why? 10th rate army in Iraq, with no air power and the only thing to keep the invasion from going through were the WMD's. They knew there were none. <br /> We lost people because of not enough<br />people on the ground. Iraqi's died because we couldn't protect them. We couldn't surround the armies and disarm or anihalate them. <br /> Deficit, deficit, deficit!<br /> Economy, economy, economy.<br /> Tax breaks. Too much to the rich. Middle class gets child care credit. Buy everyting made in china. China gets money, and a few at the top level of the companies in the US importing this crap. Layoff here, send overseas, they make big bucks. <br /> It goes on and on.<br /> <br /> Why Kerry. Could of stayed away from Vietnam.<br />Second tour of duty on swift boats. Only a scratch. If you have ever been in the tropics, only a scratch can lose you a arm. My dad died with a piece of shrapnel in him. Kerry has that. Does Dubya? Again if you have been in the military they are not too bright. I remember the saying in 69's and 70's "the only difference between the military and the boy scouts is that the boy scouts had adult supervision.<br /> He and many other Senator's thought they were voting for an attack, only after all other hopes of diplomacy would be tried. Again they were taken in. <br /> And the best thing. He is not a snivling coward like Bush. He stands up to the Pope and some others in his religion. He will not let them dictate to him what his belief's should be. He is not like the Muslim ****s who dictate to what their people have to do. He understands you lead by example. He does not want to go against the constitution of the United States. In 1960 the worry was that JFK was a Roman Catholic so he would be run by the Pope. We now have a President that is run by big buisness(greed, his first god, then all the other religious nuts running around.<br /> Why not Kerry? Because there are probobly better people who could be President. But why don't they run. "They have adult supervision"
 

TELMANMN

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Re: A real debate

When is the word piimps(added the extra i, just to see if gets by?) Next thing they will start **** out liberal.
 

POINTER94

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W. I trust him. He has had a consitant position since his swearing in. <br /><br />He has principles, and stands by them. <br /><br />He doesn't pander to the countries that make up old europe. (Can't you just see the French soilders surrendering to Iraqi children!) The assistance of French and Germans would have made good press and nothing more.<br /><br />He didn't engage in the blame game after 9/11. This dispite the fact that Clinton, a real coward, gutted the intellegence agencies and left this country in a position to become easy prey. <br /><br />He embraced his religion as part of who he is, and not jumping in the political fox hole and hiding from the history that made this country what it is. Kerry did his best to play both sides during the debate on this question, and proved himself the political coward we all knew he was.<br /><br />Hasn't tutored an intern.<br /><br />Hasn't lied about tutoring an intern.<br /><br />Wife hasn't created conspiracy theories regarding the tutoring of an intern.<br /><br />Wife is a real person and not a political opportunist.<br /><br />His actions didn't cause torture to those American soldiers incarcerated by the North Vietnameese. <br /><br />Didn't illegally negotiate with the enemy during a time of war. <br /><br />Chose a vice-president who is a proven statesman and not an ambulance chasing child designed to deliver a voting demographic.<br /><br />Wants to lower taxes for those who pay taxes.<br /><br />Wants to appoint judges to follow the constitution not reinvent it with a liberal or communistic bent.<br /><br />Has policies that separate him from a socialist.<br /><br />He has held a real job in the real world and not just sucking at the teat of the public trough.<br /><br />Because he wanted to punch Kerry right in the chops during the debate while Kerry was lying about everything from what he said, what he did, and what is his going to do. <br /><br />Because Bush makes 1/10th of what Kerry and Terri made and still payed almost three times the rate that Lurch paid in federal taxes. Kerry paid 12.8% percent Bush just over 30%.<br /><br />Because Haliburtan means nothing.<br /><br />Because he has outlined his plan.<br /><br />I like W cuz the "world test" is really world pandering. <br /><br />W sees the UN for what it is. A corrupt, dirty, socialist/communist nest of theives in Manhattan.<br /><br />What I don't like is his spending money he doesn't have. Wait till you get a load of Kerry, oh boy.... I ACTUALLY SAID I WOULD RAISE YOUR TAXES BEFORE I SAID I WOULDN'T. :rolleyes: <br /><br />Immigration policy stinks.<br /><br />_____________________________________<br /><br /><br />John Kerry, well he is tall. I can't name one redeeming quality he has. Wait a minute, he's a war hero, just ask the swift boat vets.<br /><br />I would be more detailed but I have no idea where Kerry stands on anything x-cept stem cell research. Why is this in the political arena at all???
 

Bass Man Bruce

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Re: A real debate

Pointer94, always remember and don't ever forget, going to war without the French is like going deer hunting with out your accordian.
 

oddjob

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Articulate?...Can someone here give an me example (quote) where GW could have articulated something in a mannor which you may understand better? What dont you understand?<br /><br />To say I dont like someone because of the way he or she expresses oneself is the most petty and ridiculus thing I ever heard. <br /><br /><br />"I have a PLAN" or "I have a BETTER PLAN"<br />Geez this Kerry fella is way over my head. :rolleyes: <br /><br /><br />Ditto Bearcat....v
 

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I like GWB cause he is honest and speaks form his heart. That is why he stumbles, he doesnt have answers memorized. He also pics good people to help him.<br /><br />I dont like him because he doenst defend himself enough against the stupid liberals and their stupid ideas.<br /><br />I like John Kerry cause his ideas really sound just like GWB. Plus he will cure all the evils of the world, make the economy get better, not raise my taxes, and all will be great under him.<br /><br />I dont like John Kerry cause he thinks he can do all the things above, yet we know there is no way he can. Bottom line is he will promise us everything, just to get our vote.<br /><br />Either way, I dont really bother too much with candidates, I vote a straight party ticket.<br /><br />Ken
 

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I dislike Kerry because the original cover of his book, The New Soldier , featured a picture of people mocking the Iwo Jima Memorial pushing up the American Flag upside down. No matter what Kerry could ever say or do, I could never look past that unforgiveable act. To fly the flag upside down is to spit in the face of every American that has ever died for my freedom, as well as every freedom loving, patriotic American. Did he have the freedom to do so? Yes. Do I have the freedom to hate him for it and never vote for him to take public office? You bet.<br /><br />I dislike Bush because he has continued to allow the raiding of Social Security money to pay for other government programs. I am also not fond of his environmental record. I also fear he is running us into the poor house.<br /><br />I like nothing about Kerry. I cannot come up with one redeeming quality he posseses. <br /><br />I like Bush because I believe his is sincere, and truly believes he is doing what is necessary to keep America safe.<br /><br />One more point, I dislike both for repeatedly side-stepping Charlie Gibson in the last debate on the question of what they were going to do to cut the defecit in half in five years. He asked both 2 or 3 times, and neither gave an answer. Politics at its best, make a promise you have no actual plan to follow through on it with.
 

NYMINUTE

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A change in the political system is needed. Separate foreign and domestic issues. 2 leaders, one for each area. Make them accountable to the public, not their d*** party. How far will we sink the economy before somebody wakes up?
 

phatmanmike

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Originally posted by snapperbait:<br /> I dislike Mickey Mouse because he is the figurehead for an evil empire... :p
hey, i just bought annual passes to that evil empire!!!!!<br /><br />anyways.... on with the show<br /><br />i like bush because he seem sto be concerned with our safety. willing to defend us at ANY cost,although that can ALSO be a bad thing.<br /><br />i dislike bush because he is pro-big oil and business and pro-life <br /><br />i like kerry he is pro choice. thats about it<br /><br />i dislike kerry for what he did after the war. i disike him cause his wife is a nasty, bull mouthed female dog. i dislike him cause he is a rich white guy from massachusets, and claims he is gonna fight for the "lil" people. i dislike kerry cause his team went to wendys to have lunch with the "lil " people, and when they left, they had lunch catered for them so they didnt have to eat at wendys. i dislike kerry, cause i think he would cut back the military and weeken our countrys defense at a time when we need it most,although if we'd stop pissing every body off, we wouldnt NEED defense. i dislike kerry cause he voted for it before he voted against it but then he voted for it. <br /><br />i do think he makes great waffles.<br /><br />oh,
3: They were all too drunk to remember
or coked up
 

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Re: A real debate

I don't usually respond to these threads, but this is one thing I can not and I'm sure never will understand:<br /><br />Ken said "Either way, I dont really bother too much with candidates, I vote a straight party ticket."<br /><br />How can ANYONE walk into a voting booth and blindly vote for a label? :confused: You could really care less what that person thinks, what their opinions are on issues, what their record is like, what they plan to do while in office...just what they classify themselves as??? :eek: <br /><br />The same politicians have been both an Azz and an Elephant in their terms. We have some that are VERY conservative democrats and some VERY liberal republicans...so much that one should really be the other. You seem so well informed from what I've seen here, but no matter how informed you are about each candidate you just walk in the booth and pull all elephants no matter what? I can't believe people actually do that...keep letting others think and choose for you. People who vote in that manner SHOULD HAVE THAT PRIVILEDGE REVOKED
 

kenimpzoom

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Johnsonliner, most votes in the senate and house of reps follow party lines.<br /><br />Most candidates also follow the party leaders.<br /><br />I like what the repubican party stands for and they usually propose laws to enact the ideals that the republican party stands for. Since votes in congress usually follow party lines, I get my way.<br /><br /><br />"I can't believe people actually do that...keep letting others think and choose for you."<br /><br />Umm. our governement is a representative government. That is exactly what they are supposed to do. Not everyone in the USA has the time to debate the laws, so we elect people to think and choose the laws for us.<br /><br />And lstly, the founding fathers created the party system so you dont have to educate yourself about each individual.<br /><br />Ken
 

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I think you learn a lot about a person during times of tragedy. The way our President handled himself, and this country, after the 9/11 tragedy, said a lot to me. He is not only a good President, but a great man. <br /><br />I believe a good President understands that our military must remain strong, and not divert funds away from our armed forces, (as Clinton did). I believe the predicament we are in today in Iraq, and elsewhere, is a direct result of the terrorists running around unchecked for the 8 Clinton years.<br /><br />Kerry has not shown me he could be a strong leader. He has shown that he tends to make comments, and decisions, that he believes will be "popular" with people, even when that decision may not be correct. His indecision would be costly as a President.<br /><br />Kerrys actions when he came back from Vietnam were ridiculous, (again, I believe he thought at the time that tossing his medals would be a "popular" decision). We have seen how he reacts during times of tragedy....................he turns his back on his "Brothers-in-Arms".<br /><br />Basically, Bush has outlined many of his policies. I may not agree with all of them, but at least I know where he stands.<br /><br />I have no idea where Kerry stands on the majority of the issues. His policies are about as clear as mud.<br /><br />.......Its Bush by a landslide at the Carpy household.
 
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