A little long but worth reading

bubbakat

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Kerry was indisputably brave in Vietnam, and it's kind of cute to see Democrats pretend to admire military service. Physical courage, like chastity, is something liberals usually deride, but are tickled when it accidentally manifests itself in one of their own. One has to stand in awe of Kerry's military service 33 years ago. Of course, that's where it ends, including with Kerry -- inasmuch as, upon his return from war in 1970, he promptly began trashing his fellow Vietnam vets by calling them genocidal murderers. <br /><br />But if Bush can't talk to Kerry about the horrors of war, t! hen Kerry sure as hell can't talk to anyone about the plight of the middle class. <br /><br />Kerry's life experience consists of living off other men's money by marrying their wives and daughters. For over 30 years, Kerry's primary occupation has been stalking lonely heiresses. Not to get back to his combat experience, but Kerry sees a room full of wealthy widows as "a target-rich environment." This is a guy whose experience dealing with tax problems is based on spending his entire adult life being supported by rich women. <br /><br />What does a kept man know about taxes? <br /><br />In 1970, Kerry married into the family of Julia Thorne -- a family estimated to be worth about $300 million. She got depressed, so he promptly left her and was soon seen catting around with Hollywood starlets, mostly while the cad was still married. (Apparently, JFK really was his mentor.) Thorne is well-bred enough to say nothing ill of her Lothario ex-husband. He is, after all, the father of her children -- a fact that never seemed to constrain him. When Kerry was about to become the latest Heinz family charity, he sought to have his marriage to Thorne annulled, despite the fact that it had produced two children. It seems his second meal ticket, Teresa Heinz, wanted the first marriage annulled -- and Heinz is worth more than $700 million. <br /><br />Kerry claims he will stand up to powerful interests, but he can't even stand up to his wife. Heinz made Kerry sign a prenuptial agreement, presumably aware of how careless he is with other people's property, such as other people's Vietnam War medals, which Kerry threw on the ground during a 1971 anti-war demonstration. <br /><br />At pains to make Kerry sound like a normal American, his campaign has described how Kerry risked everything, mortgaging his home in Boston to help pay for his presidential campaign. Technically, Kerry took out a $6 million mortgage for "his share" of "the family's home" -- which was bought with the Hein! z family fortune. (Why should he spend his own money? He didn't throw away his own medals.) I'm sure the average working stiff in Massachusetts can relate to a guy who borrows $6 million against his house to pay for TV ads. <br /><br />Kerry's campaign has stoutly insisted that he will pay off the mortgage himself, with no help from his rich wife. Let's see: According to tax returns released by his campaign, in 2002, Kerry's income was $144,091. But as The Washington Post recently reported, even a $5 million mortgage paid back over 30 years at favorable interest rates would cost $30,389 a month -- or $364,668 a year. <br /><br />The Democrats' joy at nominating Ker! ry is perplexing. To be sure, liberals take a peculiar, wrathful pleasure in supporting pacifist military types. And Kerry's life story is not without a certain feral aggression. But if we're going to determine fitness for office based on life experience, Kerry clearly has no experience dealing with problems of typical Americans since he is a cad and a gigolo living in the lap of other men's money. <br /><br />Kerry is like some character in a Balzac novel, an adventurer twirling the end of his mustache and preying on rich women. This low-born poseur with his threadbare pseudo-Brahmin family bought a political career with one rich woman's money, dumped her, and made off with another heiress to enable him to run for president. <br /><br />If Democrats want to talk about middle-class tax cuts, couldn't they nominate someone who hasn't been a poodle to rich women for past 33 years? <br /><br />Don't forget: <br /><br />John Kerry is strong on defense <br /><br />He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle <br />He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank <br />He voted to kill every Aircraft carrier laid down from 1988 <br />He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system <br />He voted to Kill the F-15 strike eagle <br />He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16 <br />He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade <br />He voted to Kill the B-1 <br />He voted to Kill the B-2 <br />He voted to Kill the Patriot anti Missile system <br />He voted to Kill the FA-18 <br />He voted to Kill the B-2 <br />He voted to Kill the F117 In short, he voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988 to include the bat! tle armor for our troops. With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men running around with sticks and clubs. <br /><br />He also voted to kill all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S. Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by 80%. But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by 800%!!! <br /><br />Is THIS a President YOU want?
 

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Re: A little long but worth reading

Me neeva. ;) Kerry looks a little like Pokey's pal " Gumby." I don't mean that in a bad way. :p
 

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Re: A little long but worth reading

It's men like this that give politicians a bad name. He's an indecisive, wishy washy, yes man. He'll say whatever makes him popular at the moment. You can't depend on a person like this to make the really hard choices when the time comes. If you ask me, he's got some nerve even running for president.
 

18rabbit

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Re: A little long but worth reading

I’ve been wanting a mega-yacht. Does Teresa Heinz have a sister? :D :D :D
 

Bob in Calif.

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Re: A little long but worth reading

Kerry has no gravity, (EDIT) :eek: <br /><br /> ...Bob in Calif...<br /> <br /> "Better Right Than Not"
 

FSHKPR

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Re: A little long but worth reading

nope but i dont want bush either. I am telling you guys write in Bill Dance he is our only hope<br /> :D
 

Stratosfied

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Re: A little long but worth reading

This is what happens when you take a very early baby boomer and then let them see that the world is not as perfect as they thought.
 

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Re: A little long but worth reading

G.W. Bush...<br /><br />Harken and Enron... Look into it...<br />Couple arrests...<br />DUI... <br />Cocaine... Ya, I know just dirt..<br /><br />Facts...<br />His tenure as governor of the great state of Texas...<br />As governor of Texas, Bush Slashed taxes, reduced state revenue to the point of bankruptcy and put the Texas government in debt for billions in borrowed money, the interest for which is now paid for by the Texas taxpayer...<br />All records of Bush's tenure as governor of Texas have been sequestered in his fathers library, sealed and unavailable for public view... Why?... :confused: <br /><br />As President...<br />Spent the largest surplus in the history of the country and nearly bankrupted the treasury...<br /> Shattered records for the biggest annual deficit in history...<br />Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history... Birds of a feather flock together, I guess...<br />Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history...<br />All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations...<br />Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts...<br />Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history...<br /> <br />Then has the nerve to state, "It’s time to restore honor and dignity to the White House."...<br /><br />(edit)<br /><br />And then there's Richard Cheney... :rolleyes: <br /><br />Oh I give up!
 

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Re: A little long but worth reading

Hogwash, Snapper.<br /><br />GW was the first Texas Governor re-elected in over 100 years. Must have done some good stuff.<br /><br />We Texicans are pretty particular, and don't really fall for gossip and mud slinging.<br /><br />Oh by the way, a quote from the early forties, "Don't you know we are at war?"<br /><br />As a percent of GDP, Roosevelt more than tripled the deficits of the Bush years. Of course, he, too, was fighting a depression and a war.
 

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Re: A little long but worth reading

Newsflash...............GW Bush nor any other President is in sole control of the country's financial well being or global popularity.There are several heads in on the decision making process.Analysts,advisors,head military strategists,etc..<br /><br />Attempting to single out a standing President,particularly one that is vying for re-election,and pointing fingers in an attempt to undermine reality ,has been played out many times before and will likely be many times again.<br /><br />I think if you listen too attentively to the mudslinging politics from both sides,it tends to fog the specifics of of how this country and its global repor actually works.
 

18rabbit

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Re: A little long but worth reading

...a quote from the early forties, "Don't you know we are at war?"<br />
It may look like tomato juice, and it might taste like tomato juice…but it ain’t no tomato juice! :D <br /><br />We are not at war. In this country, our constitution requires that such an action be a declaration of congress…something that Rep. Bob Barr said, “wasn’t necessary” in the changing world today. Until the constitution is changed; no congressional declaration, no war. ;) <br /><br />Fyi – Bob Barr is one of two reps (Burton the other) that aggressively pursued the impeachment of Bill Clinton. And he was right in doing so. He also killed Rep. Ron Paul’s request to bring a Declaration of War up for a vote in the House, even after Paul told him it was a constitutional requirement. In this instance, Barr is no better than the man he helped impeach…maybe even worst since Barr took an oath of office to uphold the constitution. :(
 

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Re: A little long but worth reading

Saying W. is a "Hypocrite" is bad, eh'? But flaming Kerry is ok? (not that I care) :confused:
 

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Be fair, Snapper.<br /><br />I also edited out name calling at Kerry. I left your GW bashing alone, just as I left the Kerry bashing alone. . .except for the name calling.<br /><br />18rabbit. <br /><br />Tell that to the survivors and bereaved of Viet Nam. Not war? For Congress to "declare" war they gotta identify a nation they declare war on.
 

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Tell that to the survivors and bereaved of Viet Nam
The survivors and bereaved of what happened in Vietnam extend beyond the effort made by the United States.<br /><br />Incompetence is not an excuse for abdication of responsibility. Especially so when lives are at stake. Since the founding of the UN the whole idea of “war” has acquired a political significance that is being allowed to preempt the Constitutional responsibilities of our elected Congress. As long as you (me) sit on your (my) hands you (we) will continue to slide down the slippery slope of rule by democracy …something I would personally like to avoid at all costs.<br /><br />Progress in the Korean Conflict didn’t happen until the “rules” were broken by MacArthur. When he went against Truman and independently stopped submitting his pre-battle plans to the Soviet controlled UN, the conflict took a sudden turn and the communists started experiencing unexpected defeat. (Note: Upon his return from Korea, Truman headed for Camp David under extra heavy security with a fear MacArthur would be coming after him.)<br /><br />I have friends that have migrated from Korean and from Vietnam. Publicly, they smile and are grateful for the ‘help’ of the United States. Privately, they have utter contempt for the politics they feel resulted in abandonment without resolution…something that wouldn’t have happened if either Conflict were declared a war. I have no expectations Iraq will be any different as an un-declared (war?) conflict.<br /><br />With respect to Iraq, Congress was required to vote a Declaration of War. The President is required to manage that war. This separation of powers is what allows each branch of our government to function without interference from each other, and thus provide the ‘checks and balances’ necessary to secure you, me and everyone else in the US.<br /><br />Also, “war” has a definite anticipated outcome. There was no such objective when we invaded Iraq. There were “ideas” of what was wanted, but the objective was never clearly defined. That was one of the problems with getting other countries into a coalition…they wanted to know what they were getting into and we couldn’t tell them. Had we declared war it is unlikely we could receive wide international support and we would have to shoulder the costs and burdens of our own agenda, however right or wrong that agenda is. We have opened Pandora’s box without a commitment to see it thru. We reserve the right to bailout at anytime without further support for the Iraqi people.<br /><br />The whole idea of developing a new constitution for Iraq is lost on me. Our Constitution is derived from the recognition of the Rights outlined in the Declaration of Independence. Those rights are acknowledged to extent to every living person on the planet, not just US citizens. It became an issue with respect to the Nuremberg Trials and the prosecution of US personal for inappropriate actions during the war. We have an obligation to install a mirror of our United States Constitution in every country we control or dominate. Those people have the very same rights we do and as long as our government dominates, we have the responsibility of protecting those rights for those people. We should secure the state, install our constitution, and get out. Then, as a sovereign state those folks can then take it wherever they choose.<br /><br />Also, a Declaration of War carries significant implications for insurance companies and other issues of a monetary nature. Right now there is a court battle over the twin towers. Was the whole event one terrorist attack or was each plane a separate terrorist attack? One or two? It is making a huge difference to the leaseholder and his insurance companies.
 

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{Is THIS a President YOU want?}<br /><br />NO WAY!!!!! :mad: <br /><br />I can't stand "Lurch" Kerry (the guy looks like Lurch on the Adams Family, doesn't he? ;) )<br /><br />Kerry is so far left, he is falling over. It's been documented that he is even more left then Ted Kennedy! :eek: <br /><br />Butch
 

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So? Kerry is left and he looks like Lurch... Whooop-deeeee-doooooo! :rolleyes: I agree that the guy (kerry)is a skunk of the highest order, but come on now, are'nt most politicians?<br /><br />Then there's G. Dubya.. (there's a Howdy Doody joke in there somewhere, but I won't)<br /><br /> And I suppose ya'll think Mr. Bush is squeaky clean, huh?... Cheney and the rest of the "administration" too, i'll bet... <br /><br />Get real... <br /><br />It's ok... Really... I promise.. I won't give ya'll that "I told ya so" speech when it all comes out in the wash... YEAH, RIGHT! :p
 

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18rabbit!! :D <br />As soon as you start mentioning things like "Declaration of War", specific mentions of "Ammendments of, or to", of "The United States Constitution". It'll go over their heads everytime.<br />History shows truthful outcomes of all "UnConstitutional and UnDeclared wars" this country has ever been in.<br /><br />If people from The Lone Star state were as independent and politically saavy as we're led to believe. Then they'd have done this Country a monumental favor a put Ron Paul on the Presidential ballot. ;)
 

18rabbit

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What can I say? :confused: <br /><br />Maybe, think global, act local.
 

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A declaration of war was not, and is not required, due to the fact that it was the terrorist's who declared war on the U.S. first!
 
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