'98 Johnson 115 High RPM Bogging

Grizz1288

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I have a 1998 Johnson 115 v4 that has an intermittent bogging issue.

The engine starts great from hot and cold. Idles great. Has no issues below 2000 rpms that i can tell. No issues during acceleration to get the boat on plane.

While cruising on plane, anywhere between 3000-5000 rpm it will be running PERFECTLY and all the sudden it will intermittently lose power/cut out/bog/drop rpms for a few seconds, sometimes longer and then immediately jump back to full power and perfect running. When this is happening the motor jolts as if a cylinder isnt firing.

It sounds like the motor is choking from lack of fuel (air in lines) or I have found quite a bit of water (1/2" in bottom of solo cup out of about 16 oz. of fuel from the separator) in the fuel/water separator.

Last week I had the boat out 5/7 days.
Day 1: bogged 3-4 times for a few seconds each, total of 20 miles running.
Day 2-4: No bogging what-so-ever, about 40 miles
Day 5: No bogging for 20 miles, then bogged half the way back to the ramp (3 miles) stopped for 2 miles... I was pumping the fuel bulb which seemed to help at first but then... started to bog while i was pumping the bulb the rest of the way back (2 miles)

I pulled the plugs and none looked fouled or dirty.

Was out yesterday and dumped the fuel water separator while on the water after it bogged on the way out (5 miles) and there was no change.

I added 2 bottles of line drier (HEET or something) from advance auto parts to try and soak up the water in the fuel but there has been no change.

The problem was not so intermittent yesterday and was happening the whole day. Seemed to be getting worse.

What am I up against here? Carb jets clogged up that dont inject enough fuel at high rpm's??? or could it be water getting in the engine???

Remember it starts and idles like a dream...

Any help is much appreciated.
 

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Re: '98 Johnson 115 High RPM Bogging

I think I would check the high speed orifices to start with.
 

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Re: '98 Johnson 115 High RPM Bogging

I would also check your wiring make sure everything is clean and tight. A loose wire can cause all kinds of issues.
 

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Re: '98 Johnson 115 High RPM Bogging

Like the internal wiring under the cowling? I feel like a loose wire would rear its head at idle and starting, not only at higher rpm's.
 

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Yes check your wiring under the cowl loose wires can be a royal pain. You want to make sure all connections are clean and tight. Also make sure none of the wires have spots where the insulation has been worn off. Faulty wiring can cause all kinds of weird things. I would also clean carbs as a preventive measure also.
 

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Re: '98 Johnson 115 High RPM Bogging

Should I rebuild them? Or can I blast it with some Carb cleaner or air?

Thanks for the advice.
 

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Clean them spraying carp cleaner down the throats only makes for clean throats for the air to travel down. It is the only way to get at all of the little passages.
 

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I'm having the exact same problem with my 89 Johnson 140. I have rebuilt carbs, replace all coils, replaced powerpack, replaced key ignition, bypassed kill switch, cleaned all conncections and checked for loose wires. I finally brought it to the dealer and they claim the VRO is shot. VRO's are on national backorder so I am having them bypass VRO with mechanical fuel pump and premix gas. When I get it back and test I will update you. But I'm on board with you it feels like someone turned the key on/off momentarily. Very intermittent and could happen one day and not the next. I thought I was crazy, glad to see I'm not alone
 

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Re: '98 Johnson 115 High RPM Bogging

Well I ordered a Carb kit for my motor and took the cowling off to start getting the carbs off. I noticed quite a but of oil inside on the bottom of the engine bay. Now I'm wondering if there is just a leaky oil or fuel line around somewhere. Hopefully not a shot vro.
 

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Re: '98 Johnson 115 High RPM Bogging

Just got mine back today. It wasn't ther VRO I had an open stator. Pull the stator wire off the power pack and read the resistance. Should be I believe around 420-480 ohms. My stator was wide open reaidng infinity. Bypassed VRO(installed mech fuel pump) not because I wanted to but because they were backordered and Im goin on vacation w/ the boat. Took it out today in the sound and it ran like a champ. Was suprised that it didnt smoke more or load up beacuse of the missing VRO. Hope this helps..Good luck
 

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I pulled the four stator wires that run to the coil pack. They were orange and orange w/ blue stripe. They were connected just under the spark plug wires and used miniature plug caps. They all read out near 150 ohms each. They were gunked up with some yellowish crust that I removed and put it all back together. Engine fired back up great, a little more white smoke then usual. Wish I had a boat ramp in my back yard so I could test it out...
 

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Had the boat out today and it ran like ****. Starts right up and idles fine as usual but now as soon I give it throttle anywhere over 1800 rpm's it starts to choke. The surges of full power and high rpms are fewer and far between, it is just choking the whole time. For some reason there is a primer bulb on each side of the fuel/water separator, maybe one of these is clogged up? The one on the motor side stays firm while the tank side always is always flat, is this a sign. I'm thinking about trying a side tank of fresh fuel and bypassing the bulbs and filter to try to rule out the tank/fuel lineslbulbs. Got the Carb kit in but I don't think that's the problem.

Any ideas??? Thanks in advance.
 

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Re: '98 Johnson 115 High RPM Bogging

Pull the plugs and see if they're wet. If they are you have a spark issue. The stator wire is under the power pack cover and I believe its black and black/yellow. You can miss it. Its hould read 420 ohms or better. It is the the two pronged round connector going under the fly wheel. Also checked the ground straps on your coil packs. If they are cracked and broken you can loose spark there. I went crazy finding my issue and it wasn't till the stator went completely open did I find the problem. I dont think its fuel from the sound of it but then again I'm not there. Check the electrical items again for loose connections, corrosion, rubbed wires etc. Power pack, coils, stator, and timer base are what make up the electrical system. Rectifier is for charging the batts and supplying DC. Hope this helps
 

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Re: '98 Johnson 115 High RPM Bogging

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Just pulled the plugs and they look pretty clean. None of them are wet, but 2/4 are rootbeer on top and slightly black on the bottom, could be running a little rich sometimes.

Here is what I pulled out of the fuel water separator. The cup says 16/20 ounces are water. I'm gonna put in on, pump it up and see how much more comes out. Wouldn't a ton of water in the cylinders be more noticeable? Or is the motor steaming it off?

More when I check the fuel again.
 

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Re: '98 Johnson 115 High RPM Bogging

Filled it up again and 2/20 ounces were water. Pumped it again, now only 1/20 ounces.

Hypothesis:
At idle and start the engine is sucking the actual gasoline off the top of the fuel water separator = runs good/starts good.
At higher rpm the engine demands more fuel sucks in water that has been separated and runs ****ty.

Contemplating a tank drain now, and why the line drier/water remover/seafoam aren't helping to get this water out.

I hate ethanol and will be going out of my way to a station that sells fuel without it tomorrow on my way to the Mesquito Lagoon.
 

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Boat ran crappy all day. The few seconds of surging to full power did occur, ran be5ter at low speed, just enough to keep on plane (20 mph @ 3000rpm).

Good thing I only need to idle to the poling grounds. But this is pissing me off.
 

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Re: '98 Johnson 115 High RPM Bogging

Seems electrical to me still. Would go through those components mentioned earlier. Also I changed my ignition(key switch). Also I bypassed kill switch. Your problems sound very similar to mine. You could have an electrical going bad and not all the way bad yet. Did you drain the tank completely?
 

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Re: '98 Johnson 115 High RPM Bogging

It was the Power Pack. Fouling above 3000 rpms. Replaced and running great.
 
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