90hp sport jet trouble...

kend301

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Re: 90hp sport jet trouble...

You had never mentioned a backfire , Check the flywheel magnets , run a compression check , and check the throttle tower to the trigger to be sure it is advancing. You can check timing at cranking speed by disconnecting the throttle linkage at the carb acceleration cam, PULL PLUGS OUT and install them in a grounded test block then move the carbs to WOT by hand and timing at cranking should be 32 deg BTDC .

Is the backfire coming through the carbs or in the exhaust ?

OOPS .. screwed up here , Move the throttle tower shaft to WOT and time at cranking speed .. 32 deg BTDC
 

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Re: 90hp sport jet trouble...

thanks . i let ya know what turns out
 

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ok.fuel prob ruled out.just cleaned carbs and still same.now he has no tach but we tried to bring it a bit past idle and still doesnt wanna take throttle but i do notice the very instant i start to throttle down seems like rpm raises a split second? any ideas? thanks
 

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First of all post the timing at idle , Then lets start the gambit of electrical tests to check for weak spark . Also check the plug wires to be sure they are not breaking down and did you get the correct plugs in the motor and what did the old ones look like ? (post a pic of them if possible)

First of all I need to know which stator you have , black or red . Black stator will have a blue and red wire coming out from the flywheel and connecting to the switchbox , Red stator will have green/white and white/green going to an adapter and then a single blue going to the switchbox. Unless you have the CDM conversion in which case you will not have a switchbox , so post that up also.
Here are the steps for the red stator (most popular) if you have a black one post it and I will send diag and readings for it .

1. Check all grounds.
2. Check battery voltage , You need at least 10.2 to fire a CDI system.
3. Disconnect the Black/Yellow wire from the switchbox and check for power loss
4. Disconnect the yellow wires from the voltage regulator and check for power loss
5. Ohm the stator . Green/white to White/green , Post results.
6. Ohm the trigger , check each wire individually using White/black as your ground . First to brown , then to purple and finally white . Post the readings .

Do you have a DVA meter or adapter for an ohm meter ? Next test is switchbox stop circuit and stator output , both need DVA readings.

I think the above tests are probably a waste of time but they may turn something up .
 

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well ill let ya know what the dealer says and what it cost him!!!!! lol! the whole reason he asked me to look at was he was tired of dropping it off places and it sitting there for weeks and then telling him its not a big priority. so what does he do?????? calls me fri and tells me hes gonna take to place got spark plugs from because they seemed nice....lol! electrical is my strong point....ive wired entire kit cars,electronic drag car shifters,fire repairs etc.......i had just removed top cover and next step was to pull flywheel.he got that discouraged only dropping about 20 bucks trying to trouble shoot and now he at least knows has fresh fuel pump and clean carbs..... so anyhow he does have the red stator and the little box with the blue wire coming off going to what must be the switch box behind it. a note for those looking for flush adapter......i believe it was a 5/8 flare to 3/4npt brass adapter from lowes or home depot.well hopefully by fall he'll get it back and ill let ya know what they said was.thanks to kend301 for guiding me while i was looking at boat for the guy.
 

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lol! my friend called the "certified" dealer he took boat to to check status.....they tell him....everything checks out to them lol! so i guess ill be back over there some more.any ideas?
 

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Not at home right now , let me get there , review what we have done and I will post up soon !
 

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things i know/have done......has red stator,has that box with single blue wire,(no further investigation done on elec yet)has compression,has spark(while cranking at least, not sure if dropping out though at higher rrrrrr's)cleaned carbs,rebuilt pump. almost seems like when increasing throttle there is no response, but as you start to bring back to idle seems like rrr's increase for a second before going to idle(no tach on boat).also he now has clymer w815 manual.
 

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Just got home , Check the carb synchronization ,be sure they are all opening the same , also pull the motor up to when it looses power and shut it off and throttle back at the same time , IMMEDIATELY pull the plugs and tell me if they are wet or dry .
 

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i probaly wont get there till wednsday but the carbs are sync'd. like i said there is no tach but i think idle out of water is say about 3000, i would say wont rev past like 3500.ill pull and clean plugs, turn over few times without, re install and try what you said.
 

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When you get there , read page 66 of the manual , You CAN NOT run the boat at WOT on the flush kit !
 

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ok update.the dealer did find his problem.......i didnt see old part yet but i believe he said was power pack(i believe).im sure you all know by now not to run out of water. his symtoms were basically would idle and go a little above idle but that was it. i believe this part had something to do with timing advancing as that was i was stating all along was that seemed like timing not advancing. good luck everyone
 

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Have to chuckle here , Ignition ohm tests and then a Switchbox bias test was the next thing I was going to ask you to check for him , We could have saved him alot of money and time had he given it 2 more days .
 

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ya. lol! as he was flipping through manual over the time the dealer had boat he was telling me also that i coulda figured out.but hes all set for now.thanks
 

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Re: 90hp sport jet trouble...*(kend need your help here)

ok boat is back in my court lol! dealer replaced his switchbox(have old one)he got back and took out and boat wouldnt go over 10.found that him or dealer almost blew off ride plate(got lucky just bent front) took back and the bent back. took out again and still wont go over 10. now yet another a hole dealer after spending 800 bucks there is blowing him off now trying to say has unauthorized spark wires etc.... i believe they are nice thich accel wires. i just unplugged rev limit and sent him out to see what he says. we did just idle it in his driveway on garden hose and all 3 plugs did get warm so i believe all 3 cyl are firing. so any ideas where to go next if not rev limit? thanks
 

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ok he just called and is getting 30mph with or without rev limit. so could it be that maybe i got ride plate sealed better than dealer but still not tottally sealed? he had taken off himself after got back from dealer to try to see impeller lol!(dont ask lol!) and couldnt get back on so i just put back on for him and his top speed orig was 38, when got back from dealer did 9(seemed like seaweed on grate) now that i installed plate its doin 30. so what do ya think? thanks
 

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Plate is not flush with the hull , still bent Take a very short straight edge and go around the perimeter of the plate and you will find it .
 

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hey thanks...he ran it about 4hrs yesterday with no probs other than little slower so im gonna have him order new seal and test fit plate w/out seal before reinstalling.its funny how this so called certified dealer replaced switchbox(which was the orig engine prob he was having) then as hes telling them acts like seaweed on grate and they were then telling him he still has an engine problem, blaming his aftermarket wires etc when the boat runs great now.is the seal hard to come by? thanks
 

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Sent some info to you , check your PM's :)
 
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