90hp sport jet trouble...

darrenz

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i am not real familiar with this type motor(set up kinda like an outboard) ive work on all kinds of engines except boats besides my seadoo. my friend has a 94 bayliner jazz that will start and idle but bogs when try to throttle.as dumb as this sounds....none of the boat places wanna look at so im his last shot. it has good compression,it is getting spark on all 3 cyl. so i dont know if to look at fuel pump/carbs, or if is a electrical issue like timing etc. i am not familiar w all the electronics involved in these type ign systems. thanks for any help....
 

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Re: 90hp sport jet trouble...

It sounds like a fuel problem , a few things to check
1 check fuel lines if they are old e85 fuel could have them restricted
2 pull the delivery line off the lower carb put the line into a glass jar and crank , it should flow , not pulse .
3 if it has a 2 stage fuel pump (single stage is square , dual stage is figure 8 ) put a diaphragm in it these has 2psi for idle and 6 psi for running.
4 check the vent tubes on the sides of the carbs , be sure they are clear by blowing through them and into the carb bowls , they can vapor lock
 

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Re: 90hp sport jet trouble...

great ill look into that 1st. im thinking it was the dual stage.i will try to get over there next day or two.am i cranking the engine while doing this? so i want a steady flow? i know snowmobiles we just usually look for pulse.
 

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Pulse = bad diaphragm , you need a steady flow. Please post results !!
 

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Re: 90hp sport jet trouble...

ok i will. thanks so much. ill be back as soon as i can get over there.
 

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Re: 90hp sport jet trouble...

You do know NEVER run one of these out of the water without a dealer flush kit hooked up , you will blow the ride plate off the hull .. major $$$$
 

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Re: 90hp sport jet trouble...

one last thing on a 2 stage pump there is a screen in the inlet bowl on the fuel pump , check it .
 

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Re: 90hp sport jet trouble...

ok ran over there. i believe its 2 stage... had 6bolts,filter side sticks out further. didnt get to check screen as i just saw you added that. to me looks like a pulse and not pumping out full diameter of line, looks like about half volume. are you saying should be almost as steady as an electronic pump would be?so what do ya think? ill check back after work. thanks
 

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Re: 90hp sport jet trouble...

Get a fuel pump diaphragm , you will need the following to repair it :
Diaphragm .. F438747
Block gasket ...F658803
Pump housing gasket .. 820490
Bowl Gasket ... 823606

These are all mercury part numbers, Should end his problems .
As far as the flush thing goes , You can just get a brass fitting at Lowes that will adapt the hose on the boat to the garden hose but be sure just to use flow , no pressure and yes have it on before starting ! This is what I posted in response to a flush question :
There are 2 flush kits available , A "consumer" kit that is used for only flushing , it is not suitable to run the boat out of water . this kit attaches to the top of the head just behind the thermostat housing . Hook a hose up to it and using water flow only , no pressure (do not open the hose up all the way ) I test my flow by holding the hose end straight up and open the valve until I have full flow but no "fountain" coming out the water is just running down the sides of the fitting , run it for 5 min. Wash the jet drive area and a quick rinse of the engine compartment and you are set .
The "dealer" kit is an adapter that goes on the single black hose coming from the lower engine mounting plate , You can run the boat out of water with this hooked up ( up to1800 rpm , Never with the drive engaged ) but the same flow/pressure rules apply . Also if you use the dealer type you need to take the hose and get it around the fitting on the engine plate to finish flushing the jet drive . A little extra time but it needs to be done. Then same thing wash jet drive area and light wash inside the engine compartment .
 

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Re: 90hp sport jet trouble...

well we should know tonight. he picked up a kit so ill go put in in and let ya know. ok so if that is hooked up to a hose can hose be left on for like 5min without running boat, or will it fill engine? thanks
 

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One last trick for the fuel pump , when you take it apart it should have a spring in it making it all but imposable to install the new diaphragm , Get a small 3/4" putty knife and hold the diaphragm and spring down as you tighten the 2 screws on the small end ,insert the other 4 and when you have some resistance on the knife , simply slide the knife out, tighten the two that do not go into the block and install :D
 

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lol! ya i think i know what your talking about. ok talt to ya soon......
 

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Re: 90hp sport jet trouble...

ok that wasnt it. i do notice that when he starts it then trys to throttle up it will give a single backfire then he throttles down.
 

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Re: 90hp sport jet trouble...

well we should know tonight. he picked up a kit so ill go put in in and let ya know. ok so if that is hooked up to a hose can hose be left on for like 5min without running boat, or will it fill engine? thanks
Yes you can leave it on as long as it is just flow , NO PRESSURE. It will only fill the engine if you have to much water pressure .
 

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Re: 90hp sport jet trouble...

i guess it is getting a steady flow so do ya think i should pull carbs or an electrical issue? it had always seemed to me like timing not advancing etc. as you open throttle more and more doesnt even seem like rpms increase any and when you finally get to wot it backfires.i had a snowmobile that would idle fine but not take throttle and it was the cdi not advancing.
 

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You had never mentioned a backfire , Check the flywheel magnets , run a compression check , and check the throttle tower to the trigger to be sure it is advancing. You can check timing at cranking speed by disconnecting the throttle linkage at the carb acceleration cam, PULL PLUGS OUT and install them in a grounded test block then move the carbs to WOT by hand and timing at cranking should be 32 deg BTDC .

Is the backfire coming through the carbs or in the exhaust ?
 

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Re: 90hp sport jet trouble...

ya i had just found out about the backfire last night. i believe it was out of exhaust.compression is 130+.the backfire will only happen when gets to wot.supposed to rain here today so dont know if ill get flywheel off today. i did notice it is a red stator.
 

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STOP ! , With the flush kit hooked up you can only operate the boat up to 1800 rpm and NEVER with the drive engaged !! If he is engaging the drive and trying to go to WOT , the sound you are hearing is the unburned fuel exploding around the ride plate !!
 

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Re: 90hp sport jet trouble...

ah...ok ill seperate carbs from shifter until he gets straightened out. so what direction you think i should go in? tear off carbs or start checking electronics? like i said it will idle all day long just not accept throttle. it has happened twice to him. both times was when idling waiting to get into dock. the 1st time it happened he had this shady mechanic look at and said he made a carb adj(which i think is bs)i told him if it was in carbs they needed to be pulled apart, not adjustment.and do you know proper spark plug#? hes been replacing with what came in it but someone told him wrong plugs.thanks for all your knowledge
 

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Re: 90hp sport jet trouble...

Check your PM .. you need to call me !
 
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