9.9 Johnson

hank38

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Joe,<br /> I have a starting problem (self-induced I fear) with my 1978-10EL78 engine (It won't). Approx 1 year ago I crossed the leads to my battery then quickly removed them (about 20 seconds went by) after I observed smoke raising from the engine front. I then connected the battery correctly, the engine ran fine and I soon forgot about it. Approx 1 month ago the engine started to run erratic and sometimes died only when I turned the boat/engine at far left and right angles. A friend of mine unplugged the kill wire (black with yellow stripe) under the motor cover and the erratic/die problem went away. He suspected I had a bare area in this wire and when I turned the steering wheel to extreme angles the bare area touched the engine housing which killed the engine. I installed a plastic wiring loom around the wires exiting the motor compartment and secured it with zip ties and that problem went away. About 2 weeks later I started the motor and was warming it up when, while idling unattended, the engine suddenly quit as if someone turned the ignition key to off (which didn't happen). When I attempted to start it back up, it turned over fine but would not start...as if it had no spark. I think it is not a fuel problem as the fuel pump is about 1 year old and the discharge line pump out fuel when the engine is turned over. <br /> I commenced trouble shooting a couple of days later (with a fresh battery...hooked up properly this time) when I noticed more smoke coming this time from the wire run btwn the motor and the battery compartment (about 12 inches outside the motor housing). I removed the wiring loom that I had installed and discovered a red wire burnt in 2 and a black wire burnt approx 75% thru? Also, the large black wire (approx 8 or 10 gauge braided) had a cut in it's plastic shield with exposed silver wires (must be aluminum?) but no heat marks. I put electrician's tape over cut and cut and butt spliced the 2 damaged wires but the motor still won't start? By the way, these 4 or 5 wires running from the motor to the battery compartment and terminal attachment to the ignition wires have 8 or 10 splices and I feel the wires should be renewed. <br /> I made a spark tester and plan to go test the 2 spark plug wires for spark tomorrow. If there is no spark at either wire, Is there any way I can determine just what component(s) have failed? Rectifier, coil(s), power pack? Also, I have checked my local marine hardware store (they want $72 for a new power pack...seems reasonable) but they have no info on the purchase of a replacement wiring harness. I either need ordering data for a new wiring harness or I need to get my hands on a wiring diagram that has info on the size, type, and color of wires so that I can purchase same and rewire this engine. <br /> I am a novice at working on outboard engines (this is the first one) but I am a pretty skilled hydraulic systems engineer tech (the Navy flies me all over the planet to trouble shoot their shipboard electro-hydraulic systems). I'm tooled up pretty good also. Thank you for any info you can throw my way.
 

Xcusme

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Re: 9.9 Johnson

Hank, <br />You'll need a factory wiring diagram for your motor. OEM service manuals are the best. Outlined therein, are the steps to test the ignition parts, trigger coil, power pack etc. You most definitely will need a new rectifier if you crossed up the battery connection. When crossed at the battery, it releases the factory smoke stored inside the rectifier. :D The rectifier is the component that converts A/C voltage to D/C voltage to recharge the battery. A defective rectifier in itself should not cause a no spark condition on your motor, you just loose the ability to charge the battery.<br /><br />As for the other wiring problems (including the kill circuit wiring), these issues will be addressed as well in the manual. If this is a new to you motor, perhaps the previous owner did a little 're-wiring' on his own. Again the manual will sort out these issues. You'll want to pull the flywheel and have a look at the stator for any signs of a melt down or shorted wires. Testing will involve the use of a DVM (digital volt meter) and simple hand tools, which you should already have.<br /><br />Good luck and post back any questions.
 

hank38

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XCUSME,<br /> Hey, thanks for the info. I ordered an OEM service manual from ebay the other day and should have it in hand any day. I'll probably order a power pack and rectifier tonight and go from there. Thanks again!
 

Xcusme

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God, I'm glad you went the right route with a service manual. A little study on the circuit diagram will get you headed in the right direction. As for ordering a new powerpack, I'd hold off for just now, too soon to tell just what you'll be needing , if anything, parts wise. Go thru the diags for testing the components then think about replacing parts. Randomly replacing parts can get costly.<br />Good luck and post back your findings.
 

hank38

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Well, as my job takes me around the world, my work on this engine problem has been drawn out. I failed to take Xcusme's advice and ordered and installed a new power pack and rectifier...still no spark. The wiring harness was in very poor condition at best (approx 10-12 butt splices so next I fabricated a new harness...still no spark. I then went through the factory repair manual and did 4 or 5 electrical tests with sat results UNTIL the last one which was to test the STATOR. The manual said I should get 475 +-25 ohms (for electric start motor) btwn 2 leads in the 4 wire plug leading to the STATOR and I repeatedly got 0 ohms. The manual said I need a new STATOR. This part looks like it will be expensive, is there any way the problem is in the rubber plug-in socket instead of the STATOR? If so how do I test for that. If I do indeed need a new STATOR, approx how much do they cost? Thanks.....and by the way, I'll be out of the country next week for approx 2 more weeks.
 

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Hank, you should be able to test the stator with or without the wiring harness plugged in, you could remove the stator and still test it as long as a ground was provided I beleive.<br /><br />If its any consolation the rectifier may have been associated with if not the actual cause for the stator failure. A new stator runs about $180.00+ depending on where you get it. You may also want to consider replacing that harness assy. to avoid any future problems. There's got to be a reason it had that many splices!
 

hank38

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I have been gone a while this time, but I'm back and still dealing with a broken motor. Since my last post and with a new powerpack and rectifier installed, I performed electrical trouble shooting with my shop manual and electrical meter (VOM) and all test results were exactly what the manual said they should be until I tested the stator and the results said mine was bad. I then purchased and installed a new stator and I still had no spart? At this point I threw up my hands and removed the engine and delivered it to a local outboard motor mechanic but one that only does it part time. He couldn't figure out the problem either (he says this was a first for him). I live in North San Diego County, CA and he recommended I take the motor to Sunset Marine for repairs, which I plan to do unless anyone could offer me any suggestions?
 

OBJ

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Howdy Hank.<br /><br />Sometimes starting from the rear and working your way back helps.<br /><br />In the manual, there should be description of checking the power pack output. Start here and go back towards the stator, checking the outputs of the charge coil (in the stator) and also the output of the timer base coil also in the stator.<br /><br />While there, double check your connections in the amphenol connectors. Make sure the pins and plugs are making up.<br /><br />Have you checked the ignitions coils themselves? Just an outside chance that both could have gone south.....not much of a chance but one never knows.<br /><br />Is the flywheel key in place and not sheared? I would expect so but again, somethings go un-noticed.<br /><br />When testing for spark, disconnect the same black/with yellow stripe wire your friend did. If nothing else, disconnect the harness going to the ignitions switch. If you get spark now using the recoil starter, problem may lie in the key switch.<br /><br />Hang in there. We can find the problem. It seems to me it's something simple that's being overlooked, like the key switch.
 

hank38

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OBJ,<br />I think you are right, it will probably be something simple. While my mechanic had the engine in his garage he pulled a coil off an engine known to be good, installed on my engine and it still could not produce a spark. Also, while he had the engine it of course was not connected the the boat's ignition switch which eliminates that. I plan to reread the manual once more and test all the components per the manual...maybe the stator I purchased is bad? Maybe it took something else out? Thanks for your response with ideas and talk to you later.....Hank.
 

OBJ

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Getting a bad "new" part is not out of the realm of impossible Hank. Are you sure the spark tester your using is trustworthy? The spark should jump at least a 7/16" gap. <br /><br />You could use the 10penny nail tester just as a back up. Cut the head off and stick the end into the spark plug wire. While holding the pointed end of the nail near a clean engine ground,(with insulated pliers) have a helper crank or use the recoil starter to rotate the flywheel....pulling the spark plugs will help if you use the recoil starter.
 
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