And crab bait, you know better than to think Al-quda relations was the reason we invaded Iraq.<br /><br />Purley a troll post, and yes I BIT!!!<br /><br />Ken
) Yeah, he trolled and I bit.<br /><br />Maybe they didn't have a major connection back then (that we can prove), but THEY SURE DO NOW! They keep streaming in from Syria because they love to take potshots at out soldiers over there. Must be the militant islamic version of sports or something. I am wondering if it isn't actually helping distract them from hitting us again over here. I'd rather they be blowing up Iraq then here!<br /><br />Crab Bait, do you think the terrorists are just going to leave us alone if we leave Iraq? Do you really think anything we would have done/not done would have caused them to leave us alone? We didn't go in because of 911, we went in because of IRAQ. Doesn't the fact that wholesale genocide and torture has been removed from Saddam's Iraq have any significance? That women no longer have to fear Uday, Qusay, and all their sicko friends? That women are now legitimized in their society? Doesn't the fact the the President's statement about evidence being present that a nuclear and biological weapons program was underway and would further destabilize the region have any bearing? That Iraq was in complete violation of UN mandates (but the rest of the UN beside us and the Brits & Aus. had absolutely no backbone to do right) makes no difference? Do you really believe Saddam was just misunderstood- really a pretty decent guy after all? His opinion of the negotiations was obviously contempt. He was a rogue bandit who didn't care what anyone else though and would just do as he pleased regardless of how many people were hurt. This is morally OK? Are we supposed to allow him to destroy whatever small percentage of this planets population he chose? I guess we should have left Hitler alone, too then. There are some minor differences, but the Islamic world is ripe for some charismatic leader to unite them in an effort to try to take over the world. It is a mandate in their theology, although some attempt to downplay or deny it. Any religion based on hate has no credibility with me, though I do not advocate exterminating it the way Islam advocates exterminating anything in opposition to it. The only valid reason for us to get involved militarily IMO, is to prevent a larger shedding of blood which cannot otherwise be avoided. Whether they appreciate it or not (depending on who you listen to), we HAVE saved many lives over there and have given them the opportunity to start over. What they do with that opportunity will be up to them. Whatever destruction that has occurred over there was the choice of the violent terrorists who would not let it go. They cannot be so dumb as to think we will stay there forver. If they want us to go all they'd have to do is lay down their weapons and we'd be gone in no time. No, they LIKE death and destruction. The eat and breathe it. Hate is their lifeblood. We have done so much to rebuild their infrastructure- what is wrong with that? Then the extremists go try to blow it up. They are Iraq's enemy, not the US. We're trying to build and help. Terrorists know only hate, death, and destruction. They cannot be reasoned with. <br /><br />By the way the President I mentioned above is Clinton. Too bad he didn't take his own advice and deal with the problem.<br /><br />I am convinced that the left is searching for excuses to validate their dislike of President Bush; it is not the other way around. They must resent the fact that he is not easily manipulated and has a core belief system that transcends the winds of political opinion. What else could explain the wholesale ignoring of all the good being accomplished in the larger picture? This despite all the efforts of so many detractors in Congress and the media who seek to divide us. Have we gotten so myopic that we fail to see that anything worthwhile has a cost to it? Are we really so spoiled and naive that we should expect to never have to sacrifice for any valid cause? To leave Iraq alone would have been telling the world to go ahead and "do your own thing- we don't care who you pillage, plunder, rape, and murder"<br /><br />OK, the expected conservative opposition has spoken. Our chain got yanked and we responded as expected, right? I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on politics, but I still wish you well. At least we live where we can express our opinions freely. <br /><br />
That wasnt the reason we went in to Iraq either. You read too many headlines.<br /><br />Here is the reason we went into Iraq:<br />Saddam was an enemy of the USA and would do anything to harm us. Therefore, he must go, before he takes us out.<br /><br />Had we done this to Bin Laden prior to 9/11, we wouldnt have had 9/11.<br /><br /><br />Ken
There was this little social experiment we started some 40 years ago. There were those few who went with the flow and those who resisted. Gradually the majority started going with the flow also, because it was so easy and felt good. As time went by being in the flow became respectable, even preferred. Focus became self instead of a bigger picture. The culture lost its way. They claimed to have broad vision but did not notice where the flow was taking them. The days grew darker and colder, but few noticed. The few who voiced their concern were ignored or ridiculed. Most who were going along were not bad people, just those who forgot where they came from and why they were there. Many still remembered deep down but got caught up in the busyness of the day and found it much easier to stay in the flow. There were varying degrees of embracing this flow, and all were accepted so long as they were not openly critical of the flow. There was much comfort in staying with the group. Those who stood out as not being part of the group were labelled obstructionists and too old fashioned. Although they reached out to help those in the flow they were mostly shunned. They were considered irrelevant and unenlightened. They were called: (pardon the "vulgarity") "conservatives".<br /><br />This will slide us right down the tubes sooner than later if we don't stop the flow. The divisions must cease; we must remember where we came from and what our job is rather what we can do to be self serving and hedonistic. <br /><br />Still bored, Crab Bait? How about answering some of our points?
