85hp force

[thunderbolt500]

quick question,

right underneath the lip of the motor on the bracket there is/was a knob that looks like it turns left or right
what is that for?
i tried turning it left or right and it completely broke off and now there is the steel piece of whatever it is.
i am wondering if that knob will loosen the swiveling of the motor or the swiveling is unlubricated maybe, but it
can swivel with some force. if i attach it to the steering unit its hard turning the wheel.
thanks everyone.

 

[emoney]

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If it's stiff without the cable then it's in the kingpin. I'm not familiar (someone that is will come along) with yours, but mine has two grease fittings. You need to find those and get the old out and new in.

 

[KnarfOH]

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quick question, right underneath the lip of the motor on the bracket there is/was a knob that looks like it turns left or right. what is that for?.

I probably will not be using the correct terminology but that knob is what allows you to tilt the engine forward. It is most useful when you are going slow and seaweed wraps around the propeller. You turn that to the right and grab the built in handle on the engine cover and you can tilt the motor forward and lift the prop up so easier to get to and clear it of debris.

Turn it back to left to lock the motor in place. If you don't turn it back to the left - when you put the motor in reverse, the force of the propeller will lift the motor up out of the water. If you broke it, hopefully you broke it in the left position and not the right position.

I have posted some pics below. Click on thumbnail to see larger image






Do you see the grip at the top of the engine? When you are inside the boat, turn to the right, grab the grip and pull and the engine lifts out of the water. You can lock the engine in the upright position by the locking bracket.

Once again, sorry if I used the wrong terminology.

 

[jkust]

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That boat didn't actually come with tilt and trim or at least the one we bought from the boatshow in 84 didn't. You manually lifted the engine when you got close to shore and locked it with that lever. A few years later we added the tilt/trim/dash toggle switch which made life a lot easier. You can also pull start that motor if you needed in a pinch.

 

[tater76]

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Yep, thats the reverse lockout lever. Its a real PITA to replace when the motor is on the boat. There is a clip on the back side of it that is nearly impossible to remove. Once you get it off the shaft will slide out. Look around on ebay for a used one, or maybe some kind soul on here has one???

 

[thunderbolt500]

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no its cool, as long as we understood one another. is there anyway i can turn that knob with some pliers, i think i broke it in the right position. another question please if i may, why is it so tough to swivel the motor by hand/steering wheel?
thank you i appreciate your feedback.

 

[thunderbolt500]

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what kind/specs grease can i use? thank you

 

["B"]

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Any kind of grease wiil do, jusy don't make this the last time you grease it. A couple shots after each outing will go a long way. Is it hard to rotate the engine with the cables disconnected? If so the grease will hep. Does your steering wheel seem hard to turn while disconnected from the engine? If it is tight most would recommend replacing the cables. I would try to get some WD-40 into the cable at the motor end and if you can get to the backe side of the steering wheel also. Good luck.

 

[afarrens]

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this is an easy peasy fix. the knob you broke is almost unfix able. You have to completely replace the entire thing. Like Tater said..you "might" find one..but its super hard to replace. here is what you do -
get yourself a good piece of cable wire. the strong thin strand. Something similar to piano wire or picture hanging wire.
Not sure if your motor is in the up position, if it is good, if not you need to look behind the motor, right about the top of the transom, maybe 2 in lower, your going to see a silver latch type thing. its holding a rod down. this is the rod that prevents the motor from swinging up in reverse. there is a hole at the bottom of the latch. tie one end of the wire to that latch, run it up thru the motor somewhere by the transom, and tie a little wooden dowel or handle onto it. I think i just used a old screwdriver handle. You should be able to pull on the wire and make the latch move up and down. If you got it right, you should be able to pull the handle at the same time you are lifting the motor and release it, and pull the handle when you are lowering the motor to lock it. Works for me just fine. I can shoot a few pictures when i get home if you need me to.

 

[thunderbolt500]

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actually when disconnected from the motor the steering wheel can turn very easily its only when i connect it to the motor thats when its like not having power steering in your car. so i will grease the fittings, hopefully that helps.
thank you.

 

[thunderbolt500]

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yeah thanks afarrens i actually did that already with the dowel pin and it works great, my concern was just that function of the knob that broke. i will send you a pic of it if you like.

 

[jerryjerry05]

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If it's hard to move the motor when the steering is hooked up.
Then the kingpin or swivel pin is clogged with old grease and crud.
You need a good grease and maybe a small torch.

If you try to pump the mid section full of new grease you can pop out the grease fittings!!!

Take the torch and heat the mid section.
The top and bottom have plastic bearing/bushings.Too much heat will melt them and you'll never be able to turn it.
So go easy and get it hot then start adding grease.
Marine grease is best.

After you get it free keep up the maint.grease often!!!

I ended up putting in new fittings on my port motor.It was so bad it took 4 hours to free up and still ain't great.

 

[KnarfOH]

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i think i broke it in the right position.

Not necessary to "think" you broke it in the right position. If you did, the engine will tilt up by you just lifting on it. If you didn't, then it is locked and it is in the left position. Can you tilt the motor or not? Easy test to know what position you broke the lockout lever in....

 

[jkust]

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Back to that broken knob. Do you have power trim and tilt on that? If you do, the knob stays in the unlocked position and is never needed. Only needed when you didn't have trim/tilt option. Also, even without trim/tilt you just take it easy in reverse and it isn't a big issue. What it really does well is let the engine tip up if you strike the bottom when you don't have the trim/tilt cylinders and you leave the switch in the release setting. I've owned a that exact Bayliner since 1984 with and without trim/tilt.

 

[thunderbolt500]

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yes i can tilt the motor.

 

[thunderbolt500]

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no i wish, no trim/tilt motor.

 

[thunderbolt500]

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yeah i started adding grease and some of the old came out but not the new stuff and it started coming out of the fitting.

 

[thunderbolt500]

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do you know what is the operating temp of the cyl head should be and what not to exceed.

 

[jkust]

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do you know what is the operating temp of the cyl head should be and what not to exceed.

Don't know because our came only with a speedo.

 

[jerryjerry05]

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I think??? Around 160 deg.Hotter than that??
You should be able to touch the cylinder head without burning your hand.
If it's too hot to keep your fingers on it then it too hot.
Right next to the plug isin't a good spot to try