'74 Johnson 85 HP 'Slipping'

Lake32

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Hello, new to the Forum. I hope I am posting to the correct section.
I have enjoyed reading, now I hope you can help with a question.
Info:
I have a 1974 Johnson 85hp outboard mounted on a 1978 28' pontoon with a hard roof deck on top, that was purchased two Summers ago.
After the first season I had it, I had my mechanic replace the lower unit fluid as I didn't know when the last time it was done.
The prop is a 13 spline, 3-blade, aluminum, 14x11.
We normally have five adults & five children of normal size at any given time on the boat, along with coolers, ect....
We don't tow any water toys as we have another boat for that. This is more of a cruiser and 'floating island' for hanging out, swimming and jumping off.
Problem:
The first Summer the motor ran great no problems. Ran a steady cruising speed of about 3800 - 4500 rpm.
The second Summer we had it, for the whole season it run fine no issues, same rpm range while cruising. But, at the end of last Summer before storing, I noticed the motor ( or Prop ) would 'slip' at about 4200 - 4300. As in we would be going then rpm gauge needle would 'jump' from 4200 to 4500-4600 for a couple of seconds and you could hear the 'wrrr' sound of high revs, then it would go back down. It did it every so-often, if you know what I mean. We could cruise at 3800-3900 all day with no problem, but once we got over 4000 it would 'slip'.
I checked the prop and there doesn't appear to be any issues with it. I could put it in gear, turn the prop by hand, and the motor would compress as if it were running. No 'slip', but I also know that's not under a heavy water load. I don't know if that's a test, but a fellow boater told me to try it.
So, I was looking for some help as to the proper prop size. I was thinking the pitch needed to be in the 17 range (?).
Or is there another issue?
Thanks in advance.
 

racerone

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Re: '74 Johnson 85 HP 'Slipping'

Sounds like the motor is mounted too high.----You certainly do not go to higher pitch prop for this problem.---Water temperature likely is warmer at the end of summer and that can have an effect too.
 

healey8390

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Re: '74 Johnson 85 HP 'Slipping'

Could be cavitation. Did you trim down when it happened? If it is cavitaion usually trimming down will "fix" that problem. I don't think you spun a hub as your rpm's would go through the roof once you started to accelerate. TBS when checking the hub just turning the prop when in gear isn't going to show a bad hub. Hold the flywheel or try to lock it in place with something between it and the starter or block and stand on the prop, if you can turn it the hub is bad. Be careful though!
 

Lake32

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Re: '74 Johnson 85 HP 'Slipping'

Sounds like some good advise.
I didn't think the hand turning would work, but he's a great guy who's helped me in the past so I didn't want to insult him by not trying.
No trim on this baby, but I can try to drop the motor down a hole on the mount.
Right now it is level straight up & down by eye, with the boat level on the trailer.
New to Pontoons & Outboards, I've only owned bowriders & inboards, is there a chart or way to find out how low the motor is supposed to be? These toons are the bigger 18" I believe. They're bigger than others on the lake.
I didn't think to measure the length of the motor before I left the other day, or the toons.
Thanks again.
 

emdsapmgr

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Re: '74 Johnson 85 HP 'Slipping'

Very possible it's a spun hub. To verify, take a black marker and mark the center brass hub, and the aluminum part of the prop. So that the two marks appear aligned. Then run the prop till it ventilates. Re-examine the prop marks if they no longer appear aligned, then the center hub is shot. Get a new prop. (most prop shops don't rehub props anymore.) The engine should be mounted on the transom so that the water flowing from under the engine pod flows just under the antiventilation plate, just above the prop. If that plate is running under the water, you will get abnormal water spray, poor speed and lousy fuel economy/performance.
 
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