7.4 Mercruiser Engine Life Expectancy

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Re: 7.4 Mercruiser Engine Life Expectancy

Wow, 3000 hours is realistic for this engine? Huh...

Mine has never been over-propped and pushes a fairly light, stepped-hull boat (<5000lbs). I run it at 3200 RPM or less 95% of the time, but I like the way my boat feels at 3600 RPM (40 MPH GPS). Will that wear it out substantially faster at 3600 RPM?

Mine's a 310 HP 7.4 MPI that is very well maintained, never run hard when cold, used in frshwater 95%, and I use Mobil 1 15W 50 oil.
 

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Its not the RPM you run AT its IF it can reach the correct WOT

If it can not REACH the correct WOT it will working to hard at all rpms above no wake speeds :)


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tommays said:
Its not the RPM you run AT its IF it can reach the correct WOT

If it can not REACH the correct WOT it will working to hard at all rpms above no wake speeds :)


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It's propped right. Gets to 4500-4600 easily with a medium load. I'm just curious if running at 3600 is doing lots more wear than running at 3200 RPM.

The boat feels a lot more lively and responsive at 3600 RPM. Really feels connected to the water. Rides better in chop too. I think the step in the hull is working better at 3600 RPM because my slip numbers improve substantially between 3200 RPM (19% slip) and 3600 RPM (10% slip). I gain 8 MPH (GPS) in speed for only 400 RPM (indicated) increase in engine speed. I don't have a fuel flow meter but I have to wonder if my fuel consumption (in MPG not GPH) actually improves with improved slip numbers.
 

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msd58 said:
bond-o said:
If that 4100RPMs is at WOT,.........
You're lugging the motor,......
Ya Gotta get it up to 4400/4600RPMs..........

It had more to go but that day thats what we did


More input: 34 MPH 4400-4600 RPM
 
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hours mean nothing.

50 or 500, doesnt matter. the engine rots from the inside out when it is sitting, not running. one you expose the cast iron guts to water, fresh or salt, your clock starts ticking weather you drive it or not.

factors that can change the life expectancy
1. a closed freshwater cooling system with antifreeze. as long as the manifolds and risers were changed regularly, or atleast before they started leaking, you could actually get a couple thousand hours as long as the craft was well maintained.

2. fresh or salt water. without a closed cooling system, your looking at 6 to 8 in salt water before all hell breaks loose (ie, your heads start leaking water through pin holes into your engine). in fresh water, if you get to 10, your doing good. every year after that point is a blessing.

BTW, i have a single 502 efi on a 28 foot boat with a 9 foot beam. bravo 3 also. works just fine. the wider the beam, the easier it is to plane, and the slower you can go on a plane.

just guessing, probably 7000 to 8000 lbs? hull speed is probably 40 mph max, if you can cruise at 35, your at the top of the range. and a 454 chevy will pump out the torque all day long without breaking a sweat. the way the engine is built is overkill for the power it puts out. almost indestructable. its why they are so popular.

about the EFI system. it SUCKS WIND. sorry. little peeved at mine at the moment. atleast yours has a water cooled VSC. whats a VSC? dont worry, you will find out eventually. sorry about that too.

but again, its not the hours that will get you. 400 is nothing for a big block. and the chevy 454 is so overbuilt, i doubt you could hurt it even beating the tar out of it every time you go out.

1998? with no closed cooling system?

salt water, better start looking for another motor.
fresh water, you can bet it will be replaced while you own it in the next 2 to 3 years.

consider that when making an offer. also consider there are more boats for sale than people to buy them. what the "book" says it is worth means nothing.

personally, if it didnt have a new motor, or one less than 3 years old, i would immediatly knock off 10k from the book price because that is what it is going to cost to replace the engine.

also, dont get snowed by the "book" dealers show you. it is one written for them. check nada.com, thats the one banks use.

my boat was worth 35k. i made 6 offers at 25k and waited. finally, someone called. i bought my boat for 31k with a new long block replaced 2 years ago. without the new long block, i would still be waiting mabe, or someone would have caved, because ill be damned if im gona hand someone 10k to pay for the use THEY got from the boat. and that is what your doing on a used boat. now im high and dry trying to find a work around for my failing EFI system.

its always something.

BTW, i got 3 e-mails from offers i made after i purchased my boat. there are more boats for sale than buyers. dont get rushed. KNOW you will be replacing an engine if its close to 10 years old without a closed cooling system. and KNOW that the seller is going to tell you otherwise. buyer beware.

that said, the best way to buy a boat and insure you have more crusing time than repair time, is to buy a 10 year old boat that has already depreciated, and put new power in it. do it from the start and you will be cruising more than turning wrenches. make an offer with that in mind, and dont be afraid to hand him a card with your offer and walk away.

if i had followed that advise, instead of being suckered in by a shiny new long block.............but then....that 502 with captains choice exhaust was singing my name. calling me its biotch, but in a singing sort of way like a siren.

bottom line, its gona need a new engine during the time YOU own it. if not now, certainly within a hand full of years. if it is calling your name, buy it, and accept it. if not, make an offer with that in mind and dont be afraid to take a pass.
 

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fresh water, you can bet it will be replaced while you own it in the next 2 to 3 years.

I have seen engines that are 20 years old that are run in fresh water that are still running on original manifolds let alone engines.

also, dont get snowed by the "book" dealers show you. it is one written for them. check nada.com, thats the one banks use.
Nada is only a guide and is typically much higher than you should be paying.
 
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I have seen engines that are 20 years old that are run in fresh water that are still running on original manifolds let alone engines.
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yep. have herd those stories too. might even be possible with a closed fresh water cooling system as i stated above.

but i can tell you first hand what the inside of an engine looks like after 10 years of raw water, even if its fresh, without any rust inhibitor. dont need to take my word for it either, just hang a cast iron concrete nail on a piece of string on your porch and sprey it with water once every week or so and watch for yourself.

the metal in the heads that seperates the water jackets from the exhaust ports are less than 1/4 inch thick. that is where most water intrusion problems start. the material here is not as thick as the material in exhaust manifolds.

wont go into what head bolts look like after 10 years of sitting in your water jackets either. wont need lock tite on those.

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Nada is only a guide and is typically much higher than you should be paying.
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NADA is taken from tax records and reflects what people are actually paying for any given vehical. not what someone "guesses" it should be worth like the "blue" book most boat dealers use that is based solely on a pre set depreciation schedule and has little to no berring on what the boat is selling for.

on the other hand, this "blue" book is what appraisers use to dumy up a high estimate for insurance and other financing purposes.

but, like you said, it is only a guide. the boat is worth what you are willing to pay for it, and any guide you use is only a reflection of either what other people are paying, or what someone else thinks it might be worth.

but again, bottom line, unless you can get the owner to agree to letting a mechanic take the engine apart, or you KNOW it is one of those fabeled "same motor for 50 years" type boats, protect yourself. most marine engines get replaced at the 10 year mark, sooner for salt water.

and that is exactly why you see a flood of boats for sale that are closing on the 10 year mark. yes, there are many older boats for sale too, but ill bet there are more 1995 to 1998 boats on the market than in any other 3 year range for any given type of power boat.

people who buy new boats drive them hard and put them up wet. they have the money, they dont really care. sometimes you get lucky and find a well marina maintaned boat. sometimes you get really lucky and find someone who loved his boat and pampered it.

but, you have to protect yourself. unless the engine is less than 3 years old, consider it suspect. if it is 8 or more years old, freshwater or not, consider the cost of replacing the engine comming out of YOUR pocket when you make an offer.

and when they hand you the "my dad has owned his 1979....since new and it runs fine" story, tell him your willing to pay a couple thousand dollers if he will warentee the engine for "2" years. shouldnt be a problem if he actually thinks your going to get another 10 years from it should it? money in the bank, right?

hehehehe, watch the back peddeling begine. uhh, moving, uhhh, not my boat, uhhh, cant do that because.,....

when people have big problems with boats, the first thing they think of is passing it on to....you.

and even when your carefull, as i like to believe i was, hidden things pop up. currently im having a problem with the EFI system on my 2 year old new long block. it is even under warentee, if i want to spend 2500 bucks to ship it back to michigan where i bought it to have it serviced. will cost me over 2 grand to get it fixed with factory parts. just the fuel pump system. not even a major mechanical problem.

did he know about it? you betcha. i see snipped wires from testing, and worn bolts from replacing parts everywhere im doing my testing. probably had the problem since the new motor was put in. runs fine, just wont idle for more than a few minutes. probably why he gunned it out of the marina during the sea trial.

people dont fix things then sell them. they patch them then unload the problem on you. and if you buy an 8 year old motor, unles you plan on reselling it in the next 2 to 3 years, you will be the owner when the engine starts getting milkshake in the oil. or you will be the owner when you find out the 2000 dollar injection part needs replacing.

best bet, buy a 10 year old boat and repower it immediatly. buy the extended warentee too. better to buy a boat you know has a bad motor and pay accordingly, then roll the dice with the "should last 9000 hours..." sells pitch with 10 grand on the betting table.
 

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Re: 7.4 Mercruiser Engine Life Expectancy

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11 years saltwater with proper flushing pretty much the same for the whole boat

Are record is 28 years on the Correct Craft

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And we play hard ball BUT take good care of are stuff

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Nada does not go solely by tax records. That is just one piece of information that they may use to come up with their price.

My current boat's NADA value is now at the same value that I purchased it for 4 years ago. It was at $29K and I purchased it for $19k. That shows how far off base the NADA numbers are.

I am curious to know how many posters on this forum have come across an engine that failed due to water jacket corrosion failure. I am willing to bet that not many have.

The number of fresh water users with water jacket corrosion failure will be NADA!
 

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bruceb58 said:
fresh water, you can bet it will be replaced while you own it in the next 2 to 3 years.

I have seen engines that are 20 years old that are run in fresh water that are still running on original manifolds let alone engines.

Ayuh,.......I'm with Bruce,..........
Rosco, You are 1 Seriously Confused Individual........

30 or 40 Years is the Normal Life Expectancy for Raw water cooled, Freshwater run Engines,+ Manifolds.........
 

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I think rosco must of got hold of a couple lemons........
yep..we used to use 455 olds here in work boats,
lasted years and years, if someone switched out to a diesel, there was someone waiting to buy the 20 year old gasser to repower thier boat with the old olds..wet exhaust, dry exhaust, raw water, keel cooler, din't matter they lasted forever just changed the wet manifolds every 2/3 years (salt water)
 
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down here in south florida, things are differant. if you think you can sell 10 year old boat motors, i can hook you up with a few marines that sell their pull outs for scrap metal. you could make a mint.

i can also hook you up with a sales man at hi-lift marina who knows an old man who bought a formula brand new 18 years ago and barley used it. only has about 80 hours on it. he swears it will last another 10 easy.

just dont ask him why he didnt buy it like i did.
 

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rosco

Your NOT reading the part about FLUSHING the motor AFTER every USE and the other things we do

Your taking about a boat that was left with saltwater in the motor ALL the time


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Warm salt water is going to have a vastly different affect than cold, clear fresh water or even cold salt water.
 

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The engine block water temperature will be basically the same regardless of the temperature of the inlet water as long as a thermostat is being used.
 

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I have a 1989 Merc block raw water colled run in saltwater only. The usage is usually 2 weekend days and kept on the water, flushed after the second day for storage till the next run about once or twice a month. Overall mine has got pretty low hours, don't know the exact as I bought a used boat.

I have changed the cylinder heads due to corrosion eating through, suspect the original owner may have also done it before. Finally block gave when I caught a plastic bag wrapped around the drive. The alarm went off, temp was above 200F, shutdown engine and made the mistake of starting up too soon, the cold water must have cracked the block.

Mech commented that the heads fail more regularly but the main blocks are quite tough, he has seen very little block failures.

Now waiting for reman block, arriving 18 Nov.
 

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The engine in question here is a 1998 engine. 7 out out of nearly nine years lift kept in Annapolis area.
 

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What I meant was that ocean water in warm climates has more dissolved salt than it does in cold climates and certainly more salt than fresh water.

Life expectancy, assuming the engine is going to die from internal corrosion, is going to be much lower in a boat that's used 365 days a year in Florida salt water, than it would be in a boat used in a Canadian lake 5 months out of the year.
 

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Mischief said:
What I meant was that ocean water in warm climates has more dissolved salt than it does in cold climates

The amount of salinity increase in a warmer climate only varies slightly due to evaporation.
 

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I started this thread back in 2006 I did end up buying a single engine cruiser with 7.4 MPI Mercruiser. Its approaching 700 hours. Manifolds, risers, flappers all replaced. Oil pressure still in spec etc.....again I ask in a single engine 28.5' cruiser how much longer will it last.
 
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