58 Evinrude 5.5 hp, model 5516, cooling/fuel?

wkisting

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Re: 58 Evinrude 5.5 hp, model 5516, cooling/fuel?

UPDATE (still not fixed)...<br /><br />Well, I double-checked the coils for spark with an old plug, gapped to about 3/8" as suggested. Turns out I had a break in one plug wire, so only one cylinder was firing. Not sure how that happened, as I checked for spark once already a few weeks ago and both were sparking fine.<br /><br />Anyway, replaced the plug wire, verified spark at both plugs, and thought for SURE this would fix the problem. Went to the river... no luck. Still won't start unless throttle is cranked to max open... and even then, it only grabs for about 1-3 seconds before it dies again.<br /><br />I've been through just about every piece of this motor now. Coils are good. Plugs are good. Wires are good. Waterpump is good. Points are good and properly gapped (0.020"). Just about everything on the motor is new equipment.<br /><br />I did discover, however, that the packings inside the high and low speed needle valves somehow got chewed up, and the low-speed needle valve (the upper one, for the idle) is worn. Again, not sure how that happened... looked to be in great condition when I rebuilt the motor over the winter, but maybe it was vibrating in there or something... really don't understand it. Could this produce the problems I'm having?<br /><br />As a recap: There is definitely pressure in the system (pressure tank hisses when you unscrew the cap); definitely fuel flowing through the Quick Disconnect (fuel sprays freely if you unhook it while the tank is still pressurized); there is definitely fuel getting to the carb (the carb bowl fills up right away after a few pulls); there is definitely fuel/oil moving through the fuel line that connects the top and bottom cylinder (I have clear fuel line, so I can see it circulate at least a little when I pull the starter); there is definitely spark at both plugs now.<br /><br />Nonetheless, the motor seems starved for gas somehow. That's the only way I can make sense of why it would require full throttle to even begin to start... Is it possible that a broken reed valve or something behind the carb could be producing these symptoms? The reed valves were fine when I rebuilt the motor over the winter, but maybe they were damaged since then? (probably not... but I'm running out of ideas).<br /><br />Or could air leaks around the carb needles cause me this much trouble?<br /><br />Thanks again for all your help guys.
 

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Re: 58 Evinrude 5.5 hp, model 5516, cooling/fuel?

Scott,<br /><br />Can you describe the gasket you're referring to a bit more? I'm not sure what you're referring to. There's a round silver seal about the size of a dime on the top of the carb, and yes, that's in place. There's the oval-shaped gasket behind the carb where it attaches to the powerhead, and that's in place too. But it sounds like you're describing something different... I don't have the motor in front of me at the moment, so I'll look for it, but at present, I'm not sure what you're referring to.<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Wes
 

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Re: 58 Evinrude 5.5 hp, model 5516, cooling/fuel?

One red flag that I saw is that you mentioned "there was a little crud in the fuel bowl" A little is too much, if your high speed jet is blocked you will have similar problems. :(
 

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I think Chinewalker is talking about the gasket that seals the bottom of the bowl to the brass high speed jet that runs up into the carb's throat. If it's bad or missing, fuel leaks past and causes rich running.<br />Dave's right. The carb must be the definition of the word clean.
 

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Re: 58 Evinrude 5.5 hp, model 5516, cooling/fuel?

PROBLEM SOLVED!!! YAY!<br /><br />Hi guys... well, I finally caved and paid a guy a few bucks to take a look at the motor. The problem turned out to be a few things...<br /><br />First, the high and low speed needle valve packing was shot, which I discovered the last time I looked at the motor, so I had those replaced.<br /><br />Second, the large rubber gasket that seals the upper and lower half of the carburetor looked a little questionable, so I replaced that too.<br /><br />Third, the guy I paid to look at the motor said the O-rings in the quick disconnect were the wrong size. This probably didn't affect the performance or cause any of my troubles, but it sure made the quick disconnect EXTREMELY hard to disconnect. Not sure how the O-rings could have been wrong, as I had matched the original part number... oh well.<br /><br />Fourth, and most importantly, I had blown a head gasket. Not sure how this happened either. I installed a brand new head gasket when I rebuilt the motor this winter, but apparently the head was warped a little. The guy I paid said it was warped 0.015", so he milled it down flat again, installed a new head gasket, and it runs so very, very nice and smooth now... starts on the first pull again! I'm guessing the head gasket issue is what was causing the sporadic problems I noted with the waterpump, as the break in the gasket was probably letting back pressure from the cylinders force its way into the water channel around the head, causing the strange and inconsistent flow/cooling problems I had detected.<br /><br />I still don't understand how so many little things could go wrong after I already had the motor running beautifully for 3 hours. All that happened was that the motor sputtered and died one day. Since then, I've discovered a broken plug wire, point settings gone awry, a blown head gasket, bad high and low speed needle valve packings, and possibly a bad waterpump (though probably the old pump was fine, and it was the blown gasket causing those problems).<br /><br />Anyway, thanks so much for your help! This forum is such a great resource. And now it looks as though our honeymoon plans will be saved!<br /><br />If you would like to see the sailboat (and the motor) that I built with my fiancee, visit the following address:<br /><br />www.roguepaddler.com/boat.htm<br /><br />Thanks!
 

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Re: 58 Evinrude 5.5 hp, model 5516, cooling/fuel?

Glad to hear you've got it worked out. :) <br /><br />Wow, that's some boat you built there! I think that's the nicest interior I've seen on a sailboat. You should be showing that off over in Project Boats. :)
 

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Re: 58 Evinrude 5.5 hp, model 5516, cooling/fuel?

Thanks Paul. It's pretty good looking in pictures, but a little rougher looking when you get up close and personal. All in all, it's not bad considering I'm not much of a woodworker. I tell you what... building a boat together is outstanding couples therapy... teaches you a lot about how you fight with each other:<br /><br />"Not that wrench, the other wrench... no, the OTHER wrench... I said the OTHER wrench... the silver one that makes those clicky noises... " :) <br /><br />Took the motor out again today and it ran solid for 2 hours... yay!
 
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