5.0 Mercruiser Problems

dsull

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Silly question but I have to ask. Are you sure you're setting to 10 degrees BEFORE and not 10 degrees after?

Chris...
The engine says LH rotation but I swear the harmonic balancer rotate clockwise meaning the timing marks in the attached picture are moving down. That would indicate to me that the '10' shown before the '0' would be 10* BTDC. It's entirely possible that I'm doing it backwards 🤦. If it is backwards, tho, there's no mark for 10 on the other side.
 

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LightningBob

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I could be way off here, but at the house do you ever start the engine with the flame arrestor off of the carburetor?

If so, look through that thing and see if it’s clogged?

I always know it’s time to clean my flame arrestor when my boat runs like crap.
After this season my engine is getting new rings
 

achris

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The engine says LH rotation
As viewed from behind.
but I swear the harmonic balancer rotate clockwise meaning the timing marks in the attached picture are moving down.
That's correct.
That would indicate to me that the '10' shown before the '0' would be 10* BTDC. It's entirely possible that I'm doing it backwards 🤦. If it is backwards, tho, there's no mark for 10 on the other side.
No, looks like you're reading it right. BTW, that tape isn't factory, a PO has stuck it on. Probably didn't have an advance timing light. This is one of the ways around that.

What else can I suggest? Check firing order, make sure a couple of plug wires haven't been crossed... Check that the outer part of the balancer hasn't slipped (ie, that what it's showing as TDC really is TDC)...

Chris.....
 

dsull

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I could be way off here, but at the house do you ever start the engine with the flame arrestor off of the carburetor?

If so, look through that thing and see if it’s clogged?

I always know it’s time to clean my flame arrestor when my boat runs like crap.
After this season my engine is getting new rings
I've tried cleaning the flame arrestor as this one is black. Sprayed it down with some brake cleaner and ran compressed air through it. It feels like air moves freely through it. The only reason I haven't replaced it is that I tried to run the boat without the flame arrestor on it when on the water and it does the same thing it's been doing.
 

dsull

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What else can I suggest? Check firing order, make sure a couple of plug wires haven't been crossed... Check that the outer part of the balancer hasn't slipped (ie, that what it's showing as TDC really is TDC)...
So I did verify firing order and wires were running to correct cylinders. One thing I did notice yesterday - there's a notch on the actual balancer, I'm assuming indicating TDC. It was not lined up with the mark on the block when I had the #1 cylinder at what I thought was TDC. I covered the hole for the spark plug with my thumb and turned the key until I felt pressure blow hard against my thumb, which I understood to be compression stroke. When I checked the mark, it wasn't lined up. Not sure if there's a more precise way to check this.
 

dave8311

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Bump the starter until you are on the compression stroke. Once you are there, rotate by hand (back or forward) until the line on the balancer aligns with the timing arrow, it should be pretty close, not around the other side of the balancer. Check that the rotor is pointing to the number 1 cylinder. Use and advance timing light set to 10 degrees. If your distributer is at 10 degrees the mark will line up with the timing pointer, no need for tape or numbers etc. on anything. If it's not lining up rotate the distributer until it does. If you can't see the notch on the balancer with the timing light, some chalk or white paint will help.
 

dsull

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Bump the starter until you are on the compression stroke. Once you are there, rotate by hand (back or forward) until the line on the balancer aligns with the timing arrow, it should be pretty close, not around the other side of the balancer. Check that the rotor is pointing to the number 1 cylinder. Use and advance timing light set to 10 degrees. If your distributer is at 10 degrees the mark will line up with the timing pointer, no need for tape or numbers etc. on anything. If it's not lining up rotate the distributer until it does. If you can't see the notch on the balancer with the timing light, some chalk or white paint will help.
Thanks. I haven't tried rotating by hand the balancer. I'll give that a shot. Sounds like I need to bite the bullet and buy an advance timing light.
 
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dave8311

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Or borrow one. But owning a boat with a distributor style engine in it, probably good to have one.

You can get one from Harbor Freight pretty cheap...


Goes easy on the crank bolt if you use that to turn the motor, 65 ft lbs of tourque is the spec on that bolt, don't break it off.
 

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I think it's time for a cylinder drop test.
With the engine idling and using a pair of insulate pliers, in turn lift the lead off each spark plug. The engine speed should drop the same as each lead is lifted. If you get one (or more) that don't drop, there's the problem...

Chris...
 

dsull

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I think it's time for a cylinder drop test.
With the engine idling and using a pair of insulate pliers, in turn lift the lead off each spark plug. The engine speed should drop the same as each lead is lifted. If you get one (or more) that don't drop, there's the problem...

Chris...
Chris, should I have been able to tell if I had a bad cylinder when I did the compression test? Do you mean to unplug each plug wire individually and see if the engine changes idle?
 

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Chris, should I have been able to tell if I had a bad cylinder when I did the compression test? Do you mean to unplug each plug wire individually and see if the engine changes idle?
This tests whether you're getting proper combustion in each cylinder. So multiple reasons, but this will tell you whether each cylinder is actually producing power.
 

achris

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Compression test only tests the compression of a cylinder. A drop test is also testing the fuel system (the idle circuit anyway) and the ignition system..
Do you mean to unplug each plug wire individually and see if the engine changes idle?
Yes.. And not only that the idle speed changes, but that it changes about the same amount for each cylinder.

Chris...
 

Buster53

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OP, really sorry you are going through all this and hope everything works out.
Sounds like there was no sea trial before buying. Just a reminder to other potential boat buyers…boats always run great in the sellers driveway. Getting it out on the water can be a whole different story.
 

dsull

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I set the timing to where it's supposed to be and adjusted the carb back to factory on the air/fuel screw and now I'm getting lots of white smoke from the exhaust and prop. Is it burning oil? See picture. I'm not familiar enough with carbs to know if this is an indication of lean/rich.
 

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Dunno what the smoke is. Steam? Is there enough cooling water exiting the exhaust/idle relief ports? Could be oil smoke but I can't smell it. This thread is so long I forget the original issue. One possibility is you have a head gasket failure and the result is the (possible) steam

In any case, you should never, ever run the engine with the drive tilted up like you have in the photo. Very hard on the u joints, shafts, gimbal bearing, etc....
 

dsull

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Dunno what the smoke is. Steam? Is there enough cooling water exiting the exhaust/idle relief ports? Could be oil smoke but I can't smell it. This thread is so long I forget the original issue. One possibility is you have a head gasket failure and the result is the (possible) steam

In any case, you should never, ever run the engine with the drive tilted up like you have in the photo. Very hard on the u joints, shafts, gimbal bearing, etc....
The original issue was a lack of power at takeoff. I ran a compression test on the motor which I thought would rule out a cracked head gasket but maybe not. If it matters, the motor isn't in gear. Just idling in neutral. Not sure if that's still hard on the drive.
 

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The original issue was a lack of power at takeoff. I ran a compression test on the motor which I thought would rule out a cracked head gasket but maybe not. If it matters, the motor isn't in gear. Just idling in neutral. Not sure if that's still hard on the drive.
Even out of gear all the bit inside the drive are spinning.
 

dsull

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Dunno what the smoke is. Steam? Is there enough cooling water exiting the exhaust/idle relief ports? Could be oil smoke but I can't smell it. This thread is so long I forget the original issue. One possibility is you have a head gasket failure and the result is the (possible) steam

In any case, you should never, ever run the engine with the drive tilted up like you have in the photo. Very hard on the u joints, shafts, gimbal bearing, etc....
The original issue was a lack of power at takeoff. I ran a compression test on the motor which I thought would rule out a cracked head gasket but maybe not. If it matters, the motor isn't in gear. Just idling in neutral. Not sure if that's still hard on the
Even out of gear all the bit inside the drive are spinning.
I didn't know that. Thanks for that heads up. I adjusted the distributor back to where it was before I set the timing and the smoking stopped. I still don't understand why setting the timing to where the motor says set it seems to make it run worse.
 
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