4 stroke vs. 2 stroke??????

MajBach

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Re: 4 stroke vs. 2 stroke??????

See? It all ends up being opinion - black to white. <br />P.V.: I don't like to consider these discussions 'fights'. In fact, I rely on them for informative input. Had it not been for all the 'ate' powerheads I read that the Fichts were producing 4 years ago, I would have bought one over the Honda I did buy. When it comes to experiences that people have had with their motors, these can be invaluable in helping a person choose what to buy, whatever the item. But when it comes to opinions, one must remember that opinions are often persuaded in the general direction those who offer them want them to go.<br />While I love my 4-stroke - enough not to ever want a two stroke anymore - I am not overly impressed with it. Yeah, I wish this 90 Honda was fuel injected; it doesn't start as easy as a two and the throttle response it terrible. Like most, I appreciate the fact that I can troll with it for an entire day. I also love the audience I sometimes get for having such a 'beast' on the back of a 17' tin boat. It looks big but doesn't weigh in at what a two stroke of the same dimensions would. Although, the 60 johnson the boat came with would look like a kicker next to the honda. LOL - ego!<br />I sincerely hope the market remains strong enough for 2 strokes that further R & D can go into them. Considering how far they have come and the hurdles that have been overcome with what would seem inherent to a 2 stroke design (like emissions and fuel efficiency), the potential for a 2 stroke seems far bigger than for a four. I wouldn't overlook the possibilty that someday we start seeing them in cars again.
 

AUGIDAWG

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Re: 4 stroke vs. 2 stroke??????

So, the bigger the engine cowl, the bigger the ego?<br /><br />Seems to me a little ***** envy.<br /><br />Sell your SUV and buy a Corvett.
 

P.V.

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Re: 4 stroke vs. 2 stroke??????

Well, Yes, I'm sure the Bomb will make sure that the E-tecs run better, After-all, there's always the ability to improve a product!!Bomb and Merc personell have long-time "talk'd stink" about four stroke engine... but they never had any to sell !! Just look at the DFI motors, They HAD to improve 'em or risk losing more and moe market share to the competition. Speaking of competition, notice that Suzuki AND Honda are now 100% four stroke?? I don't know the numbers, but I would bet that Yamaha sells alot more 115 four strokes than they do 115 two strokes. They must cost more, so are people happy to just spend more $$$ for less "performance" ??? Or do they just want a motor that sips fuel, is quiet and stays out of the shop??// Honda and Yamay are doing fairly well on their 200 and 225hps. Don't those people know that they will have all that crankcase oil and filter they will have to throw away once a year???? Yamay and Honda will have the 150's any week now. Either they will steal sales from their competition or from themselves. Is that good business????? Has anyone ridden in a Yamaha/Merc 115hp four stroke power'd boat?? And compared it to a 115 hp Suzuki?? No comparisin!! Suzuki has raised the bar and now HOnda and Yamaha must try to keep up!!If your performance was lacking with a Honda, you must try the suzi !!! Merc is not even in that ball-game!! When will we see their Project X motors?? Every dealer in the USA is anxiously awaiting 'cause they will final;ly have something to combat Honda, Yamy and Suzy's FOUR STROKES !!!! Nobody is awaiting the introduction of a new DFI motor by anyone, ok, Yamay has a new 300, it will be impressive, it will run great, but wait 'till Yama has a 300hp four stroke!!! And they will. I have a good friend who sells GradyWhite boats, He keeps a boat rigg'd with HPDI motors as a display boat, It's cheaper, ya know, but everyone buys the twin four stroke motors. Ya, these people have too much $$, but they want reliability !!! Most of those people would not go back to a two stroke, they won't!!No dealer/salesman would try to talk a customer out of a four stroke into a two unless the guy wanted to save $$$ or wanted "all-out performance". OR there just wasn't a fourstroke available in the HP. that the guy wanted/needed! It is safe to say that the two strokes are better than they used to be, I still sell them, but I get more and more pressure to sell the four stroke from my customers. I am not ani-two stroke/DFI, but just "Pro" four strokes!! And everytime a customer comes in with a 1998/99 Ficht, I feel sorry for him as he can't get service from most dealers (who don't want the "hassel")and sorry for me as I'm still "screwing" around with those reoccurring "nightmares" !!!! And SeaHorse, I know that they can be fix'd. Bomb tech services are very helpfull ! But, the customer really can't afford the real labor costs (or parts) that you and I usually have into them!! I don't think many older Ficht owners feel "secure" that their motor will continue to run "great", they just feel that it runs, till the next time when it coughs,bucks, and possibly dies. I will say this again, most people (not all mind you) who don't appreciate four strokes, haven't ridden one !! Well, that's my story and it's changing minute by minute!
 

dolsen

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Re: 4 stroke vs. 2 stroke??????

The future is in 4 strokes, the 2-stroke is going bye bye eventually, i.e California. The technology will only get better and soon the 4-strokes will be alot lighter. Some people just dont like change.
 

Forktail

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Re: 4 stroke vs. 2 stroke??????

Just hang out at a busy marina for a day. Watch the start ups at the launch. Watch the tow-ins. Watch what the charter boats run. <br /><br />Then hang out at a dealer for a while. Watch what they're fixing. Ask them which one they would depend their life on.<br /><br />Call a manufacturer that makes both, and ask them which they suggest.<br /><br />Then read consumer surveys, like JD power.<br /><br />Emissions? Who cares. Holeshot? What's a holeshot among a 4 hour run? Fuel economy? At the cost of new boats, outboards, trailers, tow vehicles, and fishing gear, who cares?<br /><br />What counts is the pure overall enjoyment of owning the outboard. What counts is getting back from the white water....each and every time.<br /><br />4 strokes. There is no other. ;)
 

rickdb1boat

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Re: 4 stroke vs. 2 stroke??????

That may be true about the number of "Tow-Ins" at the dock, but also consider that there are many more 2-strokes running around than 4-strokes at this time. I think that if the ratio were reversed, you would see different results. I too, believe that the future is 4-stroke. But there are many 2-stroke motors that are still running around that do not leave you stranded. As in anything, maintenence is the key for good operation. As for change, I will admit that I am hesitant to change from anything that serves me well. Simplicity has it's rewards too. I have no fear of running my 70hp Rude anywhere. It has served me well! Just my opinion.
 

timothyl

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All of these arguments about 2 vs. 4 stroke motors is very entertaining. Granted I would love to be even honestly thinking about buying a new motor. I am almost finished restoring my 1966 Glasspar Seafair Sedan and am looking for the most bang for my limited bucks. <br /> I keep reading these and other posts and have decided that the only chance that I have of buying a newer 4 stroke motor is by pretending I am a vulture. <br /> Maybe if I follow enough owners of four stroke motors who are being beaten out of the hole and are tired of taking thirty minutes a year to haul used motor oil to a recycler, and are ready to cross back over to the dark side, I can take advantage of their frustration and purchase thier inferior motor for pennies on the dollar.<br /> I guess the point I am trying to make is that on a teachers salary I would love to be able to join in on the debate of which NEW motor I should buy.
 

MajBach

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on a teachers salary I would love to be able to join in on the debate of which NEW motor I should buy. <br /><br />to bad, too. God knows you have more time to enjoy one than the rest of us that only get two weeks vacation a year.<br /><br />Guess we're getting off topic.
 

miloman

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Re: 4 stroke vs. 2 stroke??????

not to get too off topic but 1 thing I have to add. As these 4 strokes get higher in Hp and heavier on the transom other then salt water they really dont have a viable market in fresh. I mean how many boats can really handle that kind of weight off the transom. most bass boats certainly cant. Yes PV the changes made to the etec are astonishing. I sat there and listened to it a honda a Johnston Yamaha and it was quiet amazing to see how quiet is really was
 

sloopy

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Re: 4 stroke vs. 2 stroke??????

miloman... Will you be getting an etec engine? what is so different about them and how much more will they cost. I would also like to know if any company will ever start making fuel injected outboards under 20 hp..
 

gss036

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Re: 4 stroke vs. 2 stroke??????

Fuel injection is expensive and adds weight. I would not be holding my breath. Honda just came out with a new 20 hp and it has carbs and under 100 #s.
 

Hillfisher

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Having owned a Merc 115 4-stroke for two years now and a Merc and Yamaha 2-stroke for many years before that I will say that I would never go back to a 2-stroke. I don't really care about all the technichal crap, I just want my motor to start when I turn the key. With the 2-stroke, if it had sat for 2or 3 months without being cranked it was sometimes very hard to start and often would cover me up in smoke when it did start. With the 4-stroke it starts on the first key turn with no choke, now priming, no throttle, no smoke. The first couple of times I used the 4 I would park the truck while it was still running and accidently turn the key when I got back because I could not hear it running. The 115 gets better gas mileage than my 75 hp Merc did. You don't have to worry about filling the oil resevoir and you will easily recoup the extra money in fuel economy. The 4 also is recommended to run regular gas instead of mid-grade.
 

Forktail

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Re: 4 stroke vs. 2 stroke??????

Boating is big business in my state (Alaska). Many people's lives depend on their outboards. We have the largest Yamaha outboard dealer in America. Several others in my state follow. Since Yamaha is the outboard of choice up here in the harsh conditions, these dealers sell an unbelievable number of outboards.<br /><br />My point? These dealers barely stock 2-strokes. They laugh if you want an HPDI. People just don't want them.<br /><br />I don't think anyone will deny that 2-stroke outboards are great. But it seems like the guys running 2-strokes (who have probably never owned a 4-stroke) are having problems recognizing that there is something even better than great...a 4-stroke.<br /><br />If you've owned both, you know there is no comparison, in almost every aspect.
 

ratherbefishin

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Re: 4 stroke vs. 2 stroke??????

any opinions/ experiance on the 4 to 6 hp range , 2 stoke vs 4 stoke?Also- any brand preferance?
 
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